Better career: Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder

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Your account name is "King Wilder". Of course you think those things. Problem is Deontay himself didn't think those things which is why he didnt fight any of those guys.

Post a separate thread and youll see MOST people do not see Deontay succeeding against that lineup

 

I think that the Povetkin who Wilder was scheduled to fight, would have handed Wilder his first loss. Reckon the Ruiz Jnr that Parker defeated would be a stylistic nightmare for Wilde: solid chin, fast hands, excellent combination puncher, with decent pop and a pressure fighter to boot. I think Wilder would've been horrifically exposed.

The WK of the Fury fight was in a bad place at the time, with his partner being on Post Natal suicide watch, so may have got unexpectedly dropped by Wilder but, any other WK smashes Wilder to pieces. I think an uninjured David Haye would spark Wilder pretty early and a prime Dillian Whyte, Chisora, Takam, Michael Hunter would all be 50/50's. Usyk would absolutely clown Wilder.

 

Lol on the pottie
What have you done

 

I don't think this is even for debate. AJ wins by landslide.

In the amateurs AJ won the gold medal, Wilder only won the bronze.

In the pros Joshua was a two time heavyweight champion unifying 3 belts. Wilder never even tried to unify and didn't avenge his loss. AJ beat 8 Top 10 heavyweights, Wilder only beat 2.

When it comes to their fight that never was - Wilder himself admitted he passed the opportunity to fight AJ for more money and chose to fight Fury.

AJ was always fighting top dudes, win or lose. He signed the contract to fight Fury in 2021, but Fury had to fight Wilder for the third time. Wilder never thought of fighting Klitschko and there is an argument to be made that he ducked Dillian Whyte.

You are basically looking at a career resembling the greats of old - the champion fighting top contenders against one of the most protected title holders of all time making title defences against second and third tier heavyweights. It's ridiculous.

You can make the argument that AJ is the second best heavyweight of this era. Wilder may not even be Top 5. Edgy, but you could argue that.

 

Joshua, and it isn't close.

 

I think this bit might be where we disagree a bit...

Wilder gave unfit-Fury hell, in the first and third fights.
Fit/sharp/motivated Fury demolished Wilder with ease (the second fight).

Yes, Wilder showed massive heart in that third fight (and even in the second wanting to continue when it was pointless to) and that deserves credit but at the same time... Fury when he's unfit and not well motivated can struggle with pretty mediocre fighters (and has done multiple times).

I just can't get a firm enough grip on Wilder's level to use him as a yardstick to rate Ortiz highly given how little else he's really done... And especially not to rate Ortiz in order to bolster Wilder's resume (that's circular reasoning).

Yes Ortiz is Wilder's best scalp, but that says a lot about how little Wilder proved at his peak.

Wilder's exact position was always (for me) very difficult to place...
He looked devastating, but almost always against very mediocre opponents - he could've been anywhere from top 3 down to barely even top 10.

 

Whyte and Chisora would've beaten Wilder IMHO.

Both stylistically would've been a massive headache for him and given him no space to move - and they had more than enough power to knock him out.

Bear in mind just how long Wilder openly ducked Whyte - he wanted no part of that fight for a reason.

Chisora's got more losses because he didn't know how to duck - but his wins and decent performances against contenders suggest he was at least a similar level to Wilder... And stylistically I think he'd have given him fits.


Povetkin I don't think is even up for debate - Wilder wouldn't have got close to him.

 

He gave a lot of proven serious fighters a tough time...

And his style really wouldn't suit Wilder.

Plus... Who's to say Wilder's really that solid a fighter?
There's no more evidence to suggest he's a legit contender than there is that he's just a gatekeeper who could bang hard enough to have a punchers chance with other gatekeeper level fighters like Stiverne or Ortiz...

It's easy to get oversold on him just because of how hard he got hyped up and for how long.

Up to a point... But then Wilder was hardly a high ring IQ fighter who could figure ways to sidestep crude pressure - he generally just avoided that kind of fighter.

 

I agree joshua has the more sucessfull overall career but we should also remember wilder was world champion for several years , defended his title several times , fought and won 3 top 10 ranked fighters and has in over 40 pro fights a stunning ko rate .

He might be shot now and consider retirement but in his best years he was not a nobody .

 

Wilder is a belt holder who hid in the US for the majority of his career, avoiding anyone with a pulse. Then he cherry picked a fat slob and it backfired on him. He then went on to lose every round against a B level fighter in Parker.

He's a classic American hype job. Over 40 fights and his best win is Ortiz. Who also has zero wins of note.