Better chin: Ken Norton or Buster Douglas?

Yeah I’m not a big advocate of guys throwing fights or quitting easily but at the same time it’s hard to blame a fighter of his age for not wanting to go through that again.

 

Norton wasn’t sturdy. No, I’d say he was below average his lack of knowledge was his more glaring issue. I put him on the lower end of the spectrum who else belongs there? Guys who aren’t durable. Simple. Also about cross era power who really knows, I’d say all guys who are known to hit hard are about the same and you’ll find that opinion shared more often then not.

 

I don’t know the answers, but essentially yes I label him as fragile, maybe similar to Patterson???? How do you want me to prove it? I also don’t know about the power. But I know for a fact you can’t and no one can prove otherwise. We can only guess.

 

he did not want to get up because was hit by hard punch & was legitimate knock down
against opponent who he could not outbox
or even hit at much

if he had stronger chin he would not be on canvas at all
he took solid punch & went down hard. real not fake

 

Norton
3 of 4 KO loss against actual "" verified monster puncher'
Foreman. Shavers. Cooney.
only 1 against lesser fighter Garcia

and people are arguing Douglas. stopped by Bey, White, Tucker, Holyfield (in his prime
has much better chin?
Haha.
i wonder why it is.

 

Well, agreed, it is problematic to knock on Norton’s chin based on the KO losses to acknowledged super punchers who comprised the top 3 or 4 of the era.

There’s the KO loss to Garcia but otherwise it seemed Norton had a decent chin. Ken was all good vs 7/10-8/10 power but came completely undone when it was = to or above 8/10-9/10.

For Norton, it wasn’t a subtle transition from his not being hurt to badly hurt.

Norton seemed fine up to a precise power threshold (viz: took the punches of Ali and Holmes very well) - but beyond that given threshold, Ken found himself on an irreversible slippery slope

Against Holyfield, after the fact of a legit KD, I agree that it appeared Buster quit or simply didn’t try to arise.

I thought the attempted uppercut was quite a silly, desperate punch - maybe Buster was already running dangerously low on energy, knew his run time was limited and figured he’d try a big, fight turning shot and failed big when Holy landed an easy counter right.

Once on the deck, I’m sure Buster fell the full brunt of his own fatigue flood in also and decided to sign himself off.

He also appeared to quit against Tucker due again to fatigue.

Tucker was landing some shots at the end but Buster had already dropped tools prior to that - allowing a window for Tucker to step it up and , with that, Douglas meekly surrendered.

Prior to his tank running dry - Buster was doing well and arguably winning the Tucker fight.

Better chin? I can’t say for sure - hard to compare.

 

I didn't see a fragile man in the ring with Larry Holmes who took everything he threw for 15 rounds

 

Norton had good chin.

 

with Norton what even is basis?
for chinny reputation?

he fight with the absolute peak of Foreman & was actual rescue ended fight. on feet . not out cold.

with Cooney he's so old is not funny.

 

Norton was out on his feet in the Foreman fight and if it would have continued he would have been out cold

 

If someone is a devastating puncher, they're supposed to knock guys out. Even elite fighters. Someone doesn't have a bad chin because they got KOd by a devastating puncher. You can say they have a bad chin if that same fighter gets KOd frequently by all kinds of fighters: medium punchers, weak punchers, early KO losses, late round KO losses, etc.

Norton mostly only got KOd by devastating punchers, and you could argue only 1 of those losses occured in his prime. He was arguably past it against Shavers and pretty much completely washed up against Cooney, who both hit like a damn truck. Therefore, Norton didn't have a bad chin, but he didn't have a great one either. His biggest issue is he couldn't fight backing up and froze when he got nailed by an extremely powerful punch lacking in survival skills when hurt. Again, a devastating puncher is SUPPOSED to knock guys out. It's like people have zero ability to analyze things and believe contradictory ideas.