Better chin, Muhammad Ali or Lennox Lewis?

Foreman and Liston never landed their best shots on him.
Shavers hit his cheekbone.
When his chin was exposed and his opponents nailed him, he went down.
Considering that Frazier and Cooper put him on his ass, and he was dizzy as hell vs Cooper, I'm willing to bet anything that a similar shot by Liston or Foreman would have KOd him.

 

Shavers hit his cheekbone and Foreman didn't land clean hard shots on Ali's face.

 

Think you’re seeing things that never happened. He was absolutely clocked by Foreman and Shavers. He was also a young kid against Cooper (not thag it matters Cooper knocked out a lot of men)

 

Shavers hit his cheekbone, not his jaw, that makes a huge difference.
And Foreman only landed heavy blows to the body, not the face. The face shots were mostly glancing blows or punches that Ali blocked or dodged or rolled with etc

 

Ali did not had rematch with Foreman but King picked thriolgy vs Frazier.
Frazier was considered as weaker puncher for 1 single blow power, it did not helped much because Frazier had landed a lot on Ali.
Most likely like this: Shavers 1130, Foreman 1000, Ali and Frazier maybe approx 850.
Did it helped much? If properly landed, the same Ali KOed ppl damn quickly, in lower weight divisions now Loma is assumed with low power, it did not helped when guy get 1 precise liver blow from Loma, fight ended.
I think boxers that had most serious long term impact on Ali health were Shavers and Frazier, not Foreman.
Placement, angles and opponent's movement matters a lot.

 

then you haven't seen the fights. Foreman absolutely landed cleanly on Ali's jaw a few times, and Shavers did plenty. You are making things up here.

 

lol

Tyson would get stopped by Foreman with ease. and I am a big Tyson fan. Liston too would have a very good chance of stopping Tyson

Lewis was twice stopped by one punch kos/tkos, neither McCall or Rahman were particularly big hitters. The idea that Lewis wouldn't get stopped at least once if he fought Ali's opposition is comical. He would get stopped at least 1 and most likely 3 times.

 

I am glad to see most posters have some sense here. I cannot believe this is anything other than a unanimous poll.

Next Lewis fans will be arguing that he beat the prime versions of Holyfield and Tyson despite his own trainer admitting those guys were well past it.

Ali>Lewis in every department except power. Ali was way faster, had a much better chin, beat much better opponents, was smarter, a far better improviser, far more creative, and beat far better competition. The attempt by some of Lewis fans to make him a top 3 ATG comparable to Ali are wrong.

BTW, I rank Lewis #6 on my all time list, I don't think he is bad, he was great actually, but is vastly overrated by his fans.

 

Depends what version of Ali. 60 ies? Yeah, ehough fast to dominate today LHW, CW not alone talk about HW.
However I do not think that undefeated records and boxing fans approach in modern times is good future for sport.
Undefeated historically meant retirement early or multiple clauses in fights contracts.........
It is not shame to be defeated, it is modern boxing marketing that makes it is. MT does not have this approach and fighter with record like 200-23 might be considered as GOAT if he had defeated current champs in their real prime.
Unlike boxing, where tradition now is to feed 5-15 walking bags and after this 5 - 15 yourneymans, preferably old and out of shape, then preferably select old out of shape gatekeepers and vuala, undefeated STAR in boxing had been born!
Plus tittle defenses voluntary vs no hopers, laughable matchups, fights undercards where someone undefeated and ranked 30-100 th might be placed vs older and below 200 th ranked opponent with bad record in last fights etc.........
Fights records production machine. It is better if fighter had walked vs someone officially ranked in world top 10 just 5 rounds, it is bigger achievment than KTFO somoene outside of top 100 or brag about " wide decision " on hometown cards or promoters cards that had event aboard and formally then fighter had defeated an opponent in opponents backyard etc.

 

Lewis will beat the **** out of Ali and he was the superior boxer.

 

lol

 

Not with his best shots.
But let's assume for a moment you are right and he did. And let's also assume that Shavers hit Ali's jaw instead of his cheekbone.
Since Ali did not go down from Shavers and Foreman, yet he was sent to dreamland by Cooper and Frazier, does that mean Cooper and Frazier hit harder than Shavers and Foreman ?!? After all, Shavers hit Ali with a few power shots in the face, which didn't drop Ali.
So which theory makes more sense: the fact that Cooper and Frazier hit harder than Shavers and Foreman (like you indirectly suggest) or my theory, that Shavers and Foreman did not connect as good as Cooper and Frazier ??!
Answer me that.

 

You can lol all you want, Lewis was more skilled.

 

You forgot to add Carnera and Willard.

 

skilled in terms of what? The same dude who went life and death with a fat Ray Mercer? The same Mercer whom a 42 year old Holmes beat.

Ali was far more skilled. Ali had far better and faster footwork. Ali was more creative. Look at the right hand leads Ali could throw and land without being countered. The kind of lightning fast combinations that Ali could throw.

Lewis was great at what he did but he wasn't nearly as smart, creative or skilled as Ali. You are not backing up any of your arguments with a coherence and logic.

On the other thread, you claimed Foreman wouldn't land many body shots on 6'2 Holyfield due to Holyfields height. And yet the film clearly shows Foreman landing hard body shots on 5'11 Frazier in their second fight.

I am done debating you. I would rather debate some of the other posters who can at least back up their claims.