Better Comp? Hopkins or RJJ?

Jones.

 

totally agree, great post man :good

 

RJJ by a country mile, anybody that thinks otherwise is a clear spastic

Hopkins has fought midgets all his career. Trinidad, De La Hoya, Wright, pretty much all of his best wins. When he eventually fought fighters on an even playing field in that respect, he got his arse handed to him by the aforementioned RJJ, and got beat by a very very average fighter in Taylor

A win against Antonio ****ing Tarver hardly pulls it back

Needs Joe Calzaghe

 

Clearly Jones.

Some of you guys are way too influenced by the last few years in these two boxers careers.

 

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Roy Jones Jr.

And to the guy compairing beating Virgil Hill at 175 to beating De La Hoya at 160? What are you thinking?

Oscar did not even beat Strum, and was a poor middleweight!

 

This is ****ing ridiculous. Jones is a top 10 ATG, Bernard would be lucky to get into top 50. Just because Jones beat his opposition easily, it doesn't mean that his opposition wasn't good/great.

 

You have to rate the fighter's ability relative to their weight class, not just the name, when rating competition. Obviously you would need to consider DLH was fighting at a weight class where he had proven nothing.

 

:good Nice Avator!

 

Thanks:thumbsup

 

Ok, no reason to quote smaller. They were certainly smaller. And it doesn't matter whether he was the underdog. That's simply because he wasn't well known, which has little to do with how good a fighter he is.

If you are rating the competition, you rate how good the fighter is at the time they fought them. Why add in other variables which have nothing to do with the fighters actual in ring ability. Jones wins the contest, and its not by a slim margin, nor by a wide one. He has fought overall better fighters, just not overall bigger names.

 

Jones.

 

I'll try and do this one , how I see it . My method will be to analyze the best (names) wins on each fighter's record

Hopkins

Winky Wright - not a top class win (Winky hadnt had a significnt wiin for ages and souldnt be fighting at that weight , but Hopkins' tactics were great)

Antonio Tarver - top class win at the time (moved up and beat 175 champ)

Jermaine Taylor - I thought B-Hop won the first one, but I wont let this hold much water as I said I would only count wins on the record and I understand a lot of people think Taylor deservd it

Howard Eastman - a good win against a good fighter who deserved a titleshot

Oscar DeLaHoya - this depends on the Sturm fight , i didnt watch it , but if Oscar deservd the win then this means he was a legit matchup at 160 for Hopkins , if Sturm was robbd then this win shouldnt mean 2 much

William Joppy - a good win

Felix Trinidad - Tito not in his best prime, but still a top win because of Trinidad's beating of Joppy @160

Syd Vanderpool, Simon Brown and Antwun Echols - all decent wins but not great because 160 not their best weights

Glen Johnson - better than the 3 above wins but not great for the same reason

Roy Jones jr.

Antonio Tarver - top class win (I think he won the first one because Tarver just tried to steal a lot of rounds late , but Jones was controling the rest of the rounds with the jab and footwork )

John Ruiz - a top class win , not because of the oponent (I actualy rated him for effectiveness ) but more of what he acomplished by the weight jump.

Clinton Woods - a good win (thats being very generous)

Julio Gonzales - a good win

Reggie Johnson - a decent win

Virgil Hill - good win at the time

Montell Griffin - good win

Mike McCallum - well past his prime

Vinny Pazienza - not good

James Toney - top class win

Bernard Hopkins - top class win

So, I think Jones has the better resume

 

I don't think it's generous to call the Woods win good, especially if the Gonzalez win was good. Woods has beaten Gonzalez 2 times and is a champion currently.

As for the DLH-Sturm fight. If you posted a poll here, 75% would say DLH lost that fight by at least 2 rounds, maybe more. It was that bad of a robbery. He was outlanded, outpunched, out everything.

 

After re-watching Hopkins-Taylor 1 and seeing him buzzed by a Taylor right hand, it's changed my perspective on Hopkins' chin a little. I think he absolutely can be KD'd if penetrated and a prime Toney would penetrate him.