Ive always considered Berto the better boxer of the 2 in all different aspects were as Williams seemed to rely mainly on his massive reach advantages and nothing more. Not sayin he is **** just sayin i think hes pretty average but was so tall and long armed and his opponants were mainly b level it always stacked up in his favour. Which is why he was never really interested in committing himself to building his body up to become a legitimate Middle.