Better fighter: Shakur Stevenson or Guillermo Rigondeaux (prime)

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  1. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Take the risk or lose the chance Full Member

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  2. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    Right now it has to be Rigondeaux. However, Stevenson has yet to reach his prime and I expect he will surpass Rigondeaux by the end of his career.
     
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  3. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm switching my vote to Stevenson.

    Rigondeux is a much better offensive fighter with a big edge in power, but while on offense Rigo has leaky defense. While focused on defense Rigondeux is probably better than Stevenson in that regard too. But Stevenson tips the scales when blending the two together, and Stevenson is still getting better.
     
  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I think Rigo might have been the best ever h2h at 122. But Rigo still got dropped in certain fights or lost rounds (Cordoba). He also didn't infight.

    Shakur at 130 and possibly 126 was better.
     
  5. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Shakur and Rigo are mediocre, than so is Manny, Leonard, Floyd, and Pernell
     
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  6. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion

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    Rigo is still greater right now but Shakur will end up having the better career.
     
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  7. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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  8. Jackman65

    Jackman65 The fatigue is real… Full Member

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    Man, it doesn’t take much to excite you guys. Shakur is a good young fighter with great potential but he’s a long way from being a great fighter. Let him do it against top opponents before we put the crown on him. He’s my favorite young fighter but I want to see how he looks against the top guys at his weight. Why rush it?
     
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Rigo is one of the greatest amateurs of all time, a 2 x Olympic gold medalist/2 x World Amateur gold medalist, one of the most skilled fighters of all time, with devastating bone breaking/face rearranging power for a leprechaun and mongoose reflexes. And he didn't even turn pro till he was 29, ten years older than what Shakur was when he turned pro. People keep conveniently forgetting these things when comparing fighters who turned pro in their teens to great amateurs who turned pro in their mid to late 20s.

    Beating a prime ranked P4P #3 at the time IIRC Nonito in the manner he did is an infinitely better win than anything Shakur has achieved yet. I'm not saying he isn't really talented and won't go on to achieve great things but imagine him in there against a same size Rigo who would not only be super slick, super skilled, and super fast but also super powerful too
     
  10. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Had to come back to this now that Shakur made his statement much like when Rigo beat Donaire. Shakur doesn’t have Rigo’s jaw breaking power but he certainly has a much better jab.

    Is it safe to say that Shakur is a level above even a prime Rigo?
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Rigo beating a bigger prime Nonito in his country who was a murderous puncher not only at that weight but the weight above is a much better win than Shakur beating a same size Teo on at worst neutral soil who has 1 KO and 1 KD in 7 fights at 140 and should've been 4-3 in his last 7 fights and had already lost 2 fights at 140 in all bar the judge's eyes.

    When was the last time Teo knocked anyone dead? Nonito was literally knocking many world champs and contenders dead in HL reel fashion both before and after fighting Rigo and at higher weights. Teo has 1 KD at 140 vs D level

    Pump the goddamn breaks already
     
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  12. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    This is it. Nonito is a bonafide ATG.
     
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  13. Serge

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    Yes he is. Nonito was ranked #5 P4P at the time and even when old and past his prime gave the current P4P#2 his toughest fight and, as said, still an extremely dangerous puncher at that weight, below and above with lights out one punch power. Teo's power hasn't been near as effective or impressive at 140 as it was when he was a massive weight bully at 135
     
  14. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah but what about no mas, there’s just no situation where you don’t get up off your stool for a round, the only person who doesn’t get to decide when your flight is over is you
     
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  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Different fight and the fact Loma was able to make a P4P supremely talented and skilful magician like Rigo who had over 400 fights fighting the best in the world for most of his life came up through the mighty Cuban system and has seen every style there is to see pull a no mass through nothing but the application of otherworldly skill and technical wizardry just goes to show how supernaturally skilled Loma was and especially at that weight.

    The fact Rigo who has never before or after shown any sign of being a quitter had no answer for his puzzle to the extent he become so frustrated that his only answer to it was to resort to dirty tactics was mind blowing when you think about it

    But as a Brit I concur that you never quit. Brits don't quit
     
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