Better fighter: Tszyu (MA Gonzalez fight, '99) or Calzaghe (Lacy fight, '06)?

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  1. horst

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    Kostya Tszyu TKO10 Miguel Angel Gonzalez, 1999

    Tszyu's Age: 29
    Gonzalez's record: 43-1-1

    Video Highlights:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqpiVfWa_E4[/ame]



    Joe Calzaghe UD12 Jeff Lacy, 2006

    Calzaghe's Age: 34
    Lacy's record: 21-0

    Video Highlights:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rr-TGQAiFE[/ame]




    Which of these two guys do you feel had the better skillset/better ability, and was the more effective fighter overall? :bbb
     
    horst, Jul 21, 2011
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  2. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was at the Calzaghe fight and to be honest I always thought lacy was there for the taking , his biggest win was against Pemberton and an old Reid.

    Tszyu fight was much more two elite fighters going at it.
     
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  3. foushad

    foushad New Member Full Member

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    Damn, I haven't noticed just how strong Tszyu was in the ring until taking a closer look at that fight.
     
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  4. COLD-HARD-TRUTH

    COLD-HARD-TRUTH Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe had a long reign as champ at 168 so I gave him the nod over Tszyu.... while Slappy's style was effective, it is the gayest I've ever seen in a boxing ring. For that I never have been, nor will I ever be a fan.
     
    COLD-HARD-TRUTH, Jul 21, 2011
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  5. horst

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    Tszyu had a long reign as well though, no?

    And how does a long reign answer the question of who was the better fighter ability-wise at their peaks anyway? :huh

    Sven Ottke was a world champion continuously for 6 years, does that make him a better fighter ability-wise than anyone who didn't have a comparable length of reign?
     
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  6. Masamune

    Masamune Active Member Full Member

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    No fan of the slappy style myself but up till 98/99 calzahge was a very heavy handed fighter who would have went on to have an impressive KO record - he was cursed with very brittle hands and had to tailor his style to compensate - I could never rate a fighter with only domestic dominance as an ATG top ten but haters should acknowledge he was one hell of a boxer.
     
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  7. p.falk

    p.falk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Whaaaaa?!?!


    His biggest win was over Pemberton? No way.
     
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  8. horst

    horst Guest

    :-( Just stop.
     
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  9. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No shame in being second to either of these two. I'd pick Calzaghe pesonaly. Boy could he punch in his 20's.
     
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  10. DDDUUDDDEE

    DDDUUDDDEE Undisputed Ambien (taker) Full Member

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    Push it to tha limit
     
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  11. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Right here. :deal Not exactly a fair comparison though.
     
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  12. horst

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    Got any highlights videos or fight videos of him scoring a clean KO? :huh

    Care to post it? :huh

    Coz all I could find was this:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACgTJhEdj5M&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

    :deal

    Kostya Tszyu with 16oz gloves would hit harder than prime Joe Calzaghe with bare hands. Power-wise, this is a ****ing landslide.
     
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  13. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    p4p KT would smash up Calslappy in a brutal manner. Can you imagine KT launching those deadly rights hands in between those wide winging punches?

    Calzaghe isn't even a special fighter. He was a protected fighter who stayed in Europe and avoided the tough guys until they got old, then had the good luck to run into Lacy and we all know what Lacy is about now. Total fraud.
     
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  14. BritInvasion

    BritInvasion keepin on keepin on Full Member

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    Two very different points, Tszyu was more skilled, Calzaghe more effective. It is effectiveness, ie. the ability to effect a win against an opponent regardless of how you look in doing so, that is most important; because ultimately its all about the W whatever your stlye. Popkins, I think you consistently underrate JC's effectiveness (like your mate Dinamata, or are you him? i forget), writing him off as a stamina machine...but so what if he is? If stamina is what wins him fights, its as effective a method of winning as a kayo merchant. :good
     
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  15. GorillaDawg

    GorillaDawg Member Full Member

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    how highly regarded was gonzalez at the time?was tszyu a big favourite going in?
     
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