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I think that's a huge stretch, but Pavlik at least should have had a HOF career.

But still, I'll take Kelly's resume over Mancini's.

Taylor was considered lower top 10 P4P when Pavlik beat him, and Miranda was considered the most feared man in boxing. Pavlik was an underdog in both fights.

Who did Mancini really beat? Honest to God, it looked like Ramirez was paid to show up in Ohio and just collect a check. That fight has always looked fishy to me. And outside of Ramirez, his best win was over a totally washed up Chacon, a man who saw his best days at 126-130.

Mancini's myth is built around putting up a spirited effort against Arguello. It's also built on killing Kim, who was (rest his soul) not a world class fighter.

Pavlik didn't struggling with fringe level guys the way Mancini did. Outside of his two losses, Pavlik was a dominant fighter.

Calling Mancini better than Pavlik is based on nothing more than the Mancini myth.

 

I dont think Ray was better. But, he overcame his limits to become a Hall of Famer...although I dont think he belongs there but he is. He overreached and thats the reason I voted for him.

Pavlik had the potential but his personal demons overtook him.

 

While Mancini overreached his actual range in terms of greatness,Pavlik kinda deserves more,his demons got him but in the end,he got it better on paper.