Better head movement; Tyson or Frazier?

At his absolute best, Tyson's head movement was a bit better because it was slightly more versatile. Frazier's, however, was a bit more consistent and nonstop. Both knew how to utilize their headmovement in conjunction with fast footwork to close the distance and get inside on their foes. Fraizer's was a bit more up and down, which left him vulnerable to the uppercut. Tyson's was more side to side.

 

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Joe Frazier for me. This will give you an idea of why.

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I'd rate them about even. They had different styles. Frazier's head movement was more of an up and down, bob and weave tactic. Tyson's was more side-to-side.

 

Consistency and stamina: Frazier
Versatility: Tyson

Frazier also fought tougher opponents so it is only logical he would get hit more often.

 

I have to disagree. Frazier was easier to hit because he just moved randomly. He didn't react as much to the punches, instead he just moved a lot in any direction. Tyson was more reactive in his movement rather.

 

I disagree

 

Likewise - Frazier, to my mind, demonstrated better anticipation; was less exaggerated in his movement, which was also innately embedded within his offense.

Overall, Frazier was more difficult to hit.

 

Dare I say that Tyson’s head movement in round 10 vs Douglas was quite stunning.

Alas, it was Buster’s punches causing all the cranial shifting.

 

A bona fide example of 'reactive' head movement.

 

Agree 100% his movement was so tight and quick. Outstanding reflexes

 

Given they were aggressive come forward fighters the defense of both was brilliant. It's entirely possible to heap praise on both, mandatory in reality.

With both in peak form Frazier would wear a little more against non ATG's as a rule because he simply didn't overwhelm people as often or as easily as Tyson. Not to say he didn't do it on occasion but it was major news if Tyson so much as took a hard clean blow and reacted to it across a span of almost 20 fights. He was coming out of the blocks fast and pole axing people and most opponents were on the defensive from the get go. He was virtually impossible to tag clean, certainly with any regularity unless you were willing to throw caution to the wind and punch when he did,. Barely anyone did this and those that tried were often knocked out anyway. Frazier's fights were often longer and he had more incoming to deal with. He was still a superb defensive fighter given his all out attack.

So they were just different to me with both having an ATG defense at their peak for swarmers. To truly compare them at the top end you'd have to see Tyson against the likes of Ali and Foreman.

 

Frazier, like many have said, moves up and down. Tyson spoke of this when he fought Marvis Frazier who Joe tried to mould like himself. Tyson found it easy to connect on Marvis and poof, fight over.

I'm not saying Marvis was just like Joe. However, Tyson's defense was more like a gyroscopic mount. Frazier was more productive on the inside but don't sleep on Tyson's inside game. He worked there when he needed to. Just ask Tony Tubbs.

Both defenses were great, yes, but I can't see how many are picking Joe here. I don't see it and there's proof on film where it's easy to see he got hit far more than Tyson did. Joe was just easier to tag.

Simple as that.

It's no secret that Iron Mike is my favorite fighter but I'm not a delusional fanboy. I spot you haters from a mile away.

 

Joe was the slicker fighter

 

I chose Tyson but renember he was a mid to close range aggressive boxer puncher. He had good defensive skills.

Frazier was a fantastic swarmer but with that style is more likely to get hit.

Hmm difficult question as Frazier had excellent head movement but was always on the attack bobbing and weaving wheras Tyson was more about peek a boo hit and not get hit.