Better HW Jab:Holmes or Liston???

Listons jab was way heavier .imo Liston.

 

listons was heavier but it wasnt as versatile as the holmes left hand. i think holmes personally.

 

It really depends! Against someone like Joe Frazier, Liston's jab is far better. Against someone like Muhammad Ali - Holme's jab is better (or Norton for that mater)! Liston had a great jab but with Ali he just tried to throw it out like a nonstop piston. Works great against 90% of the fighters but there are those slick fighters like Ali who carefully time and counter the jab. Liston did nothing to deal with that whereas Holmes would improve the timing of his jab. So Holmes has an edge in that department. In fairness, maybe I'm mixing in other factors than just jab. Besides this one rather extreme point, I'm going with Liston. Longer, heavier, fairly accurate, and just as consistent.

Yes, personally I rate Liston as having the best jab. There are moments of exception. The only other fighter who could contend in terms of the jab is Muhammad Ali. Even that is conditional. Head to head Muhaammad Ali had the better jab (I suppose we're really not going by just jab alone but also footwork - it's hard to separate things at times) than Liston but against most other fighters Liston's jab would have been more effective than Ali's. Liston's jab would have destroyed Frazier whereas Ali's could not.

 

Holmes, and i don't think it's close. Yes, Liston's is heavier, but you gotta land it to make it count. Against Clay and Machen, he couldn't get his jab going for a moment. Measuring how it stands up to Clay is not really a fair standard of course, but i'm convinced that Holmes' addition speed, consistency and reach (he's three inches taller) would've got through to Machen and Clay much more often.


In the end, speed is more important than power, when it comes to a weapon that's not going to knock out anyone.

 

we finally disagree

i think Holmes he almost completly relied on it Liston never. Holmes jab is only second to 1 other heavy and he goes by the name muahmmed

 

Liston had the best jab I've ever seen.

 

Listons was heavier and he had that amazing reach.

Holmes was faster.

I go with Liston.

 

exactly 2 right hands makes a heavy puncher but not a technician....this

 

Holmes easily.

Liston's was good but it was like a Rafael Marquez style ramrodding jab and that was all it was good for.

Holmes could win a whole fight based on his jab.

He has the greatest heavyweight jab of all time. It was lightning quick, pretty stiff and supremely accurate.

A jab isn't used as a power punch and that's what Liston used it for.

 

Holmes; it was more versatile.

 

Holmes was able to make it a thorn in more peoples sides.

 

Holmes, no doubt.