Better Legacy: Hopkins or RJJ

Hopkins > Roided to the Gills, glass jawed Roid Jones.

 

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But you're not looking at his whole body of work. You stopped looking at his body of work in 2003.

In the 12 years since 2003, he's gone 12-8 with 5 KO losses ... including a loss to Hopkins. The best guy he beat in the last 12 years may have been Prince Badi Ajamu. (And I'm not kidding.)

He had a better resume than Hopkins in 2003.

In 2016, I don't think he does.

 

Just imagine if the rematch had happened sooner. BHOP might have been the one to shatter Roid's glass jaw.

 

Roid knew that so he avoided Hopkins & fought school teachers ,Postmen ,off duty cops & even a garbage collector ROFL

 

I go Jr. on this one. He started at middleweight and fought his way up to heavyweight. Hopkins started at light heavyweight, cut down to middleweight, and then finished back at light heavyweight.

 

Dude, I guarantee you that Hopkins did more roids than Jones over the course of their careers. Preferring Hopkins to Jones on that score is silly.

 

Jones was the proven & self confessed juicer not Hopkins

Hopkins >>>>>>>> Jones jr

 

Hopkins has NEVER been connected to drugs. He's a monk. He wouldn't injest them. Roid's been caught.

 

Why do people care so much about what a fighter does or doesn't do in their 40s?

Roy Jones is so unbelievably shot right now that he cannot even do roadwork. He's so finished that his body cannot even exercise.

He's done right now.

 

You know what is impressive? Tarver, Pavlik, Pascal and Trinidad; Hopkins was the underdog in each of those fights. :deal

 

First off, Roy isn’t any more shot than Hopkins. Hopkins took more punishment vs Kovalev over 12 rounds than Roy took vs Enzo. In fact, Kovalev didn’t even try to KO Hopkins he simply let Hopkins survive. Enzo vs Roy was much more of a fist-fight and much more hard leather was thrown.

Roy got stopped in what was a much more offensive and crowd pleasing entertaining fight. Hopkins, unlike Roy, isn’t as entertaining as a fighter. He doesn’t land the flashy punches that Roy lands, but he also doesn’t take risks like Roy does. (Fans like it when boxers take risks and give them exhilarating moments)

Put it this way, Roy landed a lot of impressive punches on Enzo in the first 3 rounds. Hopkins didn’t land anything of significance on Kovalev all night. So Roy got stopped, but he also came in there trying to knock a dude out. Hopkins is a good boxer, but he’s not entertaining in the ring that Roy was and still is.

As far as roy not doing road work anymore, road work is not a required training method. When you get older, it’s harder to do road work. I doubt Hopkins in the last 5 years or David Haye in his recent training has been doing a lot of road work.

Road work is something done more by young fighters. The fact that Roy Jones may not do road work any more doesn’t mean he’s shot, it just means he’s old. In his last fight vs Enzo he didn’t look shot in the first 3 rounds. He was winning rounds. Hopkins couldn’t win any rounds vs Kovalev so if their last fight is a comparison over who was more competitive, I would say Roy was way more competitive and RJJ vs Enzo was a much more exciting fight than Hopkins Kovalev.

The rematch between Roy and Hopkins is another fight that really doesn’t get the attention it deserves for what it ended up being. In that fight, Hopkins hit the canvas 3 times and Roy didn’t hit the canvas once. Hopkins was fouling Roy all night and yet Roy put the hurt on Hopkins in the middle rounds. Hopkins was crawling around on the floor in pain an agony from Roy Jones punches after fouling Jones. The punches that put Hopkins down could have easily been ruled knockdowns, especially that body shot that dropped Hopkins.

Many people point to that Roy vs Hopkins rematch as proof that Hopkins turned out to be a better fighter than Roy late in their respective careers. They point to this fight and see Hopkins winning a decision and thinking that proves Hopkins is better.

In reality, many people came away from that fight way more impressed by Roy’s performance than Hopkins. Hopkins fought Roy in that rematch by fouling Roy in any way possible. Roy retaliated a few times but for the most part he fought a clean fight considering the amount of fouling Hopkins was doing.

Hopkins can hold his hat on not getting KO’d, but Roy has more wins and 13 more KO’s than Hopkins. Roy fought in a more entertaining style than Hopkins, which gave us more memorable moments throughout their respective careers. Roy didn’t stop fighting in an entertaining style even when he slowed down as he got older. I have a lot of respect for what Hopkins did in his career, especially as Middleweight Champion. However, lets remember that Roy Jones beat Hopkins at Middleweight. And was the only guy to ever beat Hopkins at Middleweight until the two controversial decisions to Jermain Taylor.

I think one thing to keep in mind is that both these guys have tremendous boxing legacies and it’s splitting hairs to choose between the two. One can make the argument that one is better than the other or has a better legacy, but it’s all a matter of opinion. When you compare Hopkins and Jones to say Floyd Mayweather, as far as boxing legacy, one can make the argument that Hopkins and Jones have a better boxing legacy than Floyd.

What Hopkins did in his 40s for example, well if Floyd stays retired, how can you put Floyd ahead of Hopkins? Hopkins and Jones ability to fight well into their 40s from the late 1980s till now really puts them in a class all their own. Even Foreman, who came back and won a Heavyweight Title in his 40s, he also was away for the sport for a long period of time before he came back.

 

I think The Alien has the better legacy than Captain Hook.

 

Pascal was the favourite; at least in the first one