Better Legacy: Hopkins or RJJ

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Hopkins. Better wins. Was THE champion in 2 weight classes. Was willing to make the big and risky fights. More longevity and wasn't savagely KOed on 3 different continents.

Also avenged his loss to Jones.

Had Jones made the fights Hopkins did he would have lost a few also. Hopkins also toyed with 2 guys that savagely KOed Jones.

 

Did you seriously brag that Jones won rounds against Enzo but Hopkins couldn't against Kovalev?

Forget rounds, how many MINUTES would Jones last against Kovalev?

Yes, Jones has SEVEN more wins than Hopkins. And 10 of Roy's wins came in WAY WAY WAY off the radar in the last few years against absolute nobodies like Eric Watkins, Paul Vasquez, Willie Williams, Hany Atiyo, Courtney Fry, Zine Eddine Benmakhlouf, Pawel Glazewski, Max Alexander, Prince Badi Ajamu and Anthony Hanshaw.

While Hopkins was beating the lineal Middleweight Champ Kelly Pavlik, the WBC Light Heavyweight Champ Pascal, the IBF Light Heavyweight Champ Tavoris Cloud, the WBA Light Heavyweight Champ Beibut Shumenov, the RING Light Heavyweight Champ Antonio Tarver … and being the only guy to go the distance with Sergei Kovalev in his eight-fight title run to date.

Oh, and during that run, Hopkins beat Jones, too.

And when Jones did step up, he got brutally stopped … FIVE TIMES.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARf9SKFbVyE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o0c8fXHp-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaDE7u-WJOI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la_4_Ys_v68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBW-CkMZVdc

Where is the tape of Hopkins getting destroyed by these types of guys? Kovalev couldn’t even do it.

For a long time, Roy Jones DID have a better resume and stronger legacy than Hopkins ... but HE DOESN'T NOW.

 

Don’t judge a book by its cover. If you disagree with any of my points, please show me where I am wrong. I don’t expect everyone to agree.. If you disagree, then disagree, but I think I make plenty of fair and intelligent points there worth discussing.

 

lol at kovalev and enzo being compared.


enzo should be ashamed of himself for going full out on 46year old roy. that man is a grade A goon of the highest order, no wonder his career went nowhere, he has the brains of an amoeba.

 

Yes, Roy won more rounds vs Enzo than Hopkins won against Kovalev.

Who knows? But I can tell you this. When Hopkins went the distance vs Calzaghe, maybe people said the same thing about Calzaghe : “How many minutes would Jones last against Calzaghe?" Then Jones surprised everyone and knocked down Calzaghe in the opening round like Hopkins did vs Joe and Roy managed to go the distance vs Calzaghe!

I think Kovalev could definitely stop Roy at this stage. However it depends on how hard Kovalev would try to stop Roy. It was clear that Kovalev had so much respect for Hopkins that he literally let him survive. (You cannot deny that)

Be honest, if Kovalev wanted to, don’t you think he would have been able to hurt Hopkins and stop Hopkins? Hopkins took a lot of punishment vs Kovalev, and frankly did NOTHING offensively in that fight. but Kovalev wasn’t landing brutal shots on Hopkins, he was taking it easy on the old man.

If Roy were to fight Kovalev, yes I think we’d all expect it to end badly for Roy, however unlike Hopkins Roy would actually have a small chance of actually hurting Kovalev!! Roy rocked Enzo on numerous occasions in the first 3 rounds. Lets not act like Hopkins at this stage wouldn't have a lot of trouble beating the motivated Enzo that showed up vs Roy.

Hopkins fought some great fighters during that time. But lets not act like Roy didn’t have tough fights as well. Roy fought guys like Danny Green in his own backyard and Denis Lebedev. Roy beat Pawel Glazewski who was undefeated and ended up fighting for a World Title.

Hopkins had some big wins in there, like the 2nd Pascal fight which was one of Hopkins best performances in my opinion. However, there was the first Pascal fight which was a draw and a fight that Hopkins was lucky to escape with a draw.

Then there were the two Dawson fights. The first one a NC where Hopkins was unable to continue then the rematch was a Dawson decision win. So yeah Hopkins fought tough fights, but had trouble with many of those fights. The Cloud fight was overrated and boring. What has Cloud done since that snoozefest? He’s 0-2 both by stoppage. Shumenov was a good win for Hopkins, though.

Yeah LOL barely. I’m sorry but Hopkins was exposed in that fight, and although he got he decision, Roy really did well in that fight. Hopkins was really hurt badly in that fight, remember that post fight interview where he was holding the back of his head and saying he was about to move up to challenge David Haye for the Heavyweight Championship of the world? I think Roy knocked some screws loose in Bernard that night!

Kovalev didn’t stop Hopkins because he had too much respect for him. He was toying with Hopkins, he knew Hopkins couldn’t hurt him and chose to let Hopkins survive.

Debatable.

 

I agree with this assessment.

 

In my honest opinion, his body of work up to 2003, is enough to surpass Bernard.

We know that Roy should have retired years ago, and again, Bernard's great longevity is an incredible achievment in itself. Although we can't just forget Roy's bad losses, in the grand scheme of things, I don't think they're that important.

If we an*lysed James Toney's resume, would we really focus on his defeats to the likes of Jason Gavern? Toney now has 10 losses on his resume.

The facts are:

Roy achieved more.

He was more dominant in his prime.

And in my opinion, he has the better resume.

 

We'll never know, because Bernard wanted nothing to do with Roy until he knew he was finally finished.

 

Of course he did. atsch

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/stories/2002-07-10-jones-hopkins.htm

 

Bingo!

Roy even fought at 154, in 1991.

The poll is a joke in my opinion.

Bernard spent 12 years in a weak division when he could have fought at SMW/LHW. I think he only moved up in 2006, because he'd got nothing to lose and everything to gain at that point.

Also, if Roy hadn't have left the MW division and dropped his belt, Bernard's historic run would never have happened.

Despite his great longevity, there's no way that Bernard has achieved more.

 

What about a thread comparing the careers of Hopkins and Toney?

That would be very interesting.

 

1. Bernard doesn't have the better wins.

2. Being 'The Champion' at 2 weights was just due to circumstances, and they don't surpass Roy's title wins at 4 weights, especially when you consider that he once fought at JMW.

3. Bernard did take risky fights, but only after he'd completed his legacy at MW. But what about prior to that? Why didn't he fight at SMW? Why didn't he fight at LHW sooner? He made incredible sacrifices both mentally and physically, to shrink himself down to fight in a weak MW division, where he had size advantages over the majority of his opponents.

4. Yes, he did avenge his loss to Roy. But it held no value whatsoever.


Read the following links then get back to me:

2002:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/stories/2002-07-10-jones-hopkins.htm


2008: (over a year BEFORE Hopkins fought him again)

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/Benz_1112a08.htm


Those links speak volumes about Bernard's character. And even Naazim Richardson didn't want the rematch in 2010.

 

He's obviously had greater longevity.

But how's he had the better career?

Roy went from JMW to HW in dominating fashion, only losing once in 50 fights.