Better opposition: Lewis, Tyson ......

Tyson's run was not the entirety of his career either, as he had some of his best wins afterwards. But the way he took his opposition out, and the short span he did it in to become Undisputed, and the way he defended his crown, was more impressive than the Lewis run you named above.

Berbick- Early, dominant, and impressive KO over the champion for the belt.
Smith- Shutout win over another champion
Thomas- Devastating win over one of the most skilled and underrated HW's of the era
Tucker- Dominant UD over one of the top HW's of the time, and another title.
Biggs- Dominant stoppage win over the supposed stylistic dilemma to Tyson's style: a tall, agile, slick moving jabber.
Holmes- Past his prime, but still a test. Dominant stoppage win for Tyson.
Tubbs- Early KO over a top contender
Spinks- Awe inspiring first round KO over the first man to beat Holmes.
Bruno- Violent stoppage win over one of Britain's best ever HW's, when he had started to slip post-Rooney
Williams- First round KO win over top contender

 

Aye, that's a fair breakdown, and I will respond to this in a clear and civil manner later on, but in the real world, I have to go run some errands.

Come back tomorrow and there should be a response.

:hat

 

If just the opposition, regardless of whether he beat them or not, I'd say Holyfield has slight better than Lewis.

But in terms of BEATEN opposition, Lewis has a clear edge for me. Holyfield fought and beat big named fighters like Bowe, Tyson, Foreman and Holmes but Lewis beat damn good fighters when they were thought to be the most dangerous HW at that time. Ruddock, Golota, Tua, Vitali and Holyfield himself. And Lewis beat them in a much decisive way. Also Lewis only had 2 losses, all of which were avenged.

 

Oh, so you wouldn't say Michael Moorer, the only southpaw heavyweight champion, was a better name on Holy's resume than Golota, Ruddock, or Tua who won, let's see, exactly ZERO titles. Pleeeeaaase, :roll: the fact that Moorer was a champ bumps him up one over Lewis in this categry.

 

It's clearly Evander "Real Deal" Holyfield. He faced the best, and was never starched in the early rounds by the second-raters, either.

 

Byrd is also a southpaw.

 

Pac by KO

 

Doesn't matter. We're talking who took on the better opposition here, how many Holy lost is irrelevant in this instance.

That one reason right there makes him a heavyweight champion doesn't it? Holy scores one more point in the resume department. (SWISH!)

HA! You'd be one of the only ones to make that argument. Many would give that version of Tyson a prety good chance of beating even a prime Lennox Lewis, which is more than I can say for the version of Tua who was schooled senseless by Lewis in their titlefight against each other.

Golota faced a rapidly fading Bowe, everyone knows that. And last time I checked Golota still lost those fights didn't he?

Also, as I said before, the dominance issue has nothing to do with it here, we're talking purely resume and opposition here, not who won what fights... and I'm not sure you can say that Lewis would have still been dominant as he was had he faced the kinds of fighters Holy fought.

Let's face it Mcfagass, :yep Lewis's resume if full of nothing but contenders/pretenders and old faded away greats. While Holy fought better fighters who were in their primes or who were still very formidable opponents. I think I've made my case clear. Holy's opposition KO 1 Lennox's opposition.



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Byrd was a paper champion with a BS title. Moorer was the only one true southpaw heavyweight champion. :deal

 

Post in the right thread :twisted: :yep

 

tyson>

cause i say so

 

You can't argue with that logic.

 

Disregarding if they won or lost;

holy(Foreman, Holmes, Douglas, Bowe(prime), Tyson, Lewis(both close to their prime) Toney, Mercer, Moorer,
tyson(Holmes, Berbick, Thomas, Biggs, Tucker, Spinks, Douglas, Ruddock, Galota, Holyfield, Lewis)
holmes(Shavers, Norton, Cooney, Prime Tyson, Holyfield, Mercer)
lewis (Tua, Galota, Mercer, Vitali, Morrison, Holyfield, Ruddock, Tyson)

 

Sorry, but when assessing Holyfield's resume, its a crime not to include the fact that he defeated two of the greatest CWs of all time (en route to he himself becoming the UNARGUABLE best CW ever...) as well as a few others if we are talking entire resume, win or lose.....had to fix it there for ya bro!

:good

 

Holyfield.