Better resume Ali vs Mayweather

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Better Resume

  1. Muhammad Ali

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  2. Floyd Mayweather Jr

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  1. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    @themaster458 This is how i see it.

    Floyd Mayweather Jr notable wins

    ODLH
    Manny Pacquiao
    Canelo Alvarez
    Ricky Hatton
    Miguel Cotto
    Diego Corrales
    Shane Mosley
    Juan Manuel Marquez
    Marcos Maidana
    Jose Luis Castillo
    Zab Judah
    Genaro Hernandez
    Arturo Gatti
    DeMarcus Corley
    Andre Berto
    Victor Ortiz
    Carlos Baldomir
    Angel Manfredy
    Sharmba Mitchell
    Jesus Chavez
    Gregorio Vargas
    Phillip Ndou
    Roberto Guerro
    Carlos Hernandez


    Muhammad Ali notable wins

    George Foreman
    Sonny Liston
    Floyd Patterson
    Joe Frazier
    Ken Norton
    Jerry Quarry
    Zora Folley
    Jimmy Ellis
    Ernie Terrell
    Ron Lyle
    Oscar Bonavena
    Joe Bugner
    Cleveland Williams
    Henry Cooper
    George Chuvalo
    Mac Foster
    Doug Jones
    Oscar Bonavena
    Buster Mathis
    Earnie Shavers
    Leon Spinks
    Karl Mildenberger
    Bob Foster
    Jimmy Young

    24 names for each a pretty balanced list i think.
     
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  2. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Mayweather did not fight Pac in 2010. Could you imagine Ali trying to age Liston out and refuse to fight him until 1968?

    Lol. This isn't close. Are their guys greater than Ali? Sure. SRR, Armstrong, Langford etc. But not Floyd.
     
  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Brewster lost to two C class Heavyweights via one sided decisions which is why he wasn't getting big fights. And he did get an opportunity vs Wladimir despite on paper not deserving an opportunity based on his prior record.

    Williams was more deserving than Brewster was that's for sure.
     
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  4. themaster458

    themaster458 Active Member Full Member

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    I'd take out names from both but pretty fair list overall
     
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  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Robert Guerrero was a three division champ, undefeated, and on pfp lists. You gave him an 84, below Bugner and Cooper and same as Spinks.

    Pac was the best guy in boxing other than Floyd. You gave the same ranking to Frazier who had been slaughtered by Foreman.

    Corrales was an undefeated champion who was knocking everyone out and top 5 pfp, similar to Foreman. He got an 88 but Foreman got a 97 even though Corrales is the guy who became a successful champion again.

    Jose Luis Castillo was also clearly better and more accomplished than Bugner and Cooper.
     
  6. themaster458

    themaster458 Active Member Full Member

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    Fair enough ranking them is hard lol
     
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  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Are we not giving Floyd credit for having first rate longevity and winning while past his prime?

    Should Benitez rank ahead of Hopkins?
     
  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    1. Mayweather did beat a top twenty pfp fighter. (But…but…but…fifty year old Moore!)
    2. Mayweather did beat an ATG in his prime.
    3: Mayweather gave up all sorts of age and weight disadvantages whereas Ali rarely did against worthy opponents.

    Foreman isn’t a top ten heavyweight all time, so I’m not sure if Ali actually beat an ATG in their prime.
     
  9. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Benitez was out of the game before he got sick.
     
  10. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Foreman isn't a top 10 Heavyweight in "your opinion" which is a very small minority most would have Foreman in the top 10 so that's not a good argument.
     
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  11. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    George Foreman is indeed a consensus top ten all time great heavyweight. I'll provide receipts, i.e. citations if asked for them. I'll also provide the definition of consensus.
     
  12. themaster458

    themaster458 Active Member Full Member

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    I'm actually curious what your top ten looks like if you don't have Foreman since most people have him on their list and who would you replace him with Frazier maybe?
     
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  13. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Consensus=general agreement, broadly accepted. You can do a Google search. Foreman is in the top ten of virtually every list of all time great heavyweights from an authoritative source.
     
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  14. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I didn't say Moore was a better win, I said Pacquiao isn't top 20 but Moore is. It's the only one between them.

    Who? If Canelo was in his prime, then he's you're lowering the bar for him to be an all-time great coz he almost lost to both Trout and Lara; or he wasn't in his prime.

    So? Mayweather wasn't a heavyweight, of course he fought more often with a weight advantage.

    :lol: at Foreman not being top 10 heavyweights. Please, by all means tell me which ten heavyweights are greater. And do Liston and Frazier not exist? What do you mean Ali never beat an ATG in their prime :lol:

    You're skirting around the point. Ali beat better fighters. Do you have any rebuttal to that fact outside of your weird idea that Mayweather is the best ever at everything.
     
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  15. themaster458

    themaster458 Active Member Full Member

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    Ik I have him in my top ten as well I was wondering what @NoNeck list would look like with Foreman