Better resume Ali vs Mayweather

What is your 11-15?

 

So he was prime and barely better than Trout and Lara.

Doesn't sound like an ATG to me.

 

Why is Tyson greater than Foreman?

What win does he have that equates to destroying your number 8 in his his prime? He destroyed two fighters who beat your #2.

Did you just forget he won the title 20 years after he lost it?

 

"Early losses hardly preclude one getting big fights later on"

They do when the fighter has 0 notable wins after losing comprehensively to C class Heavyweights.

 

Hard to have notable wins when the top guys don't face you. Maybe you should criticize his contemporaries for not fighting him or his management for not doing a better job in getting him fights.

Razor Ruddock has a bad early loss and his only win over a ranked contender is Dokes. He never fought Bruno, Bowe, Tucker,. tubbs, Witherspoon etc. like Brewster I would attribute that to poor management rather than lack of ability

 

Wherever he was in his development, Canelo was the best at 154. Floyd beating hm so easily at his age is hugely impressive. The catch weight is annoying, though, and takes a bit away.

 

The list look fairly solid. But were the guys in bold ranked? Everyone but Mathis and Bob Foster were on the list of Ali opponents, and I think there were a couple of real fringe contenders that were missing. But they wouldn't add much on the other hand.

 

Corrales and Castillo surely are among Floyd's best wins. And Canelo hadn't reached his best yet, but he was the best at 154 and Floyd was really getting on in years yet schooled him. It's hardly like Johnson's win over Langford. The catch weight, though...

Floyd was older than Pac, it should be said as well. The refusal for Pac to take a legal painkiller and Floyd's illegal IV (which was used to flush PEDs) is a blot here, though.

 

Pretty close one to me. Ali's top wins probably tips it in his favour.

 

11. Vitali
12. Fury
13. Foreman

Wills, Dempsey and Johnson could be the next three.

 

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/mike-tyson-had-a-better-career-than-larry-holmes.669560/

Larry was better than Foreman so use your imagination.

 

Solid list pretty much have the same top 6 (Struggle betwen Tyson and Holmes for 5 but I think your thread has convinced me that Tyson should be above Holmes though sometimes I change my mind.....) Love the Usyk at 10 have him at the exact same place.

 

tbf Lara was very good and the fight between the two was very close and could have gone either way. Trout was a wash I really don't see how anyone can think Trout won he got outboxed all night and even knocked down not a close fight at all.

 

Why do you constantly go off track ? No one was avoiding Brewster lol he got beat up by Charles Shufford and Clifford Eitenne losing about 18 rounds against them.

If you're losing consistently to C class Heavyweights you ain't being avoided lol.

Brewster was never that good he won against Wladimir based on his durability alone and Wladimir punched himself out that's it.....

Brewster got beaten up by Meehan getting a gift decision and then got comprehensively beaten by Liakhovich that was his short title reign in a nutshell.

 

I agree Lara was good, I think that goes without saying. But you've got to do better than get a SD against him to be considered a superior fighter than Foreman at his peak. I do think prime Canelo is actually better than any Foreman, but that wasn't the version that showed up vs Floyd.