Better resume Bam or Gervonta?

Even if it was deeper, it doesn't matter since Wahid hadn't fought the best in those divisions.

Loma, Shakur, Haney, Lopez, he hasn't faced any of them

 

Tank is a joke. Anyone notice how his only fans are PBC nuthuggers? Like Tank has no other fans besides them.

This is the tribal part of boxing that I hate because certain tribes/fanbases give passes to "their guys" like literal cheerleaders. Disgraceful.

Anyhow, Tank's resume sucks but his male/trans cheerleaders will tell you he has an ATG resume

 

I think Ryan Garcia, Frank Martin, Pitbull, Barrios, Santa Cruz, and a few other decent names is better than Estrada, Sunny, and past it Cuadras and Rungvisai. Deal with it.

I do like the Sunny and Estrada wins though.

 

1. It is deeper. There are about 2x the combatants per division when comparing 130/35/40 to 112 and 115.
2. He hasn’t refused anything. Barrios is a 147 champ, Garcia beat Haney and is at least top 2 at 140, and Pitbull is top 5 and a champion at 140. Martin would be almost even money against Lomachenko and Lomachenko is likely next up.

Tank would be too 2 at worst if he beats Shakur.

 

But this is why it's a crude interpretation.

1) Fighter's in the lower weights fight the best more consistently. It's more of a pressure cooker down there. What good is a division if it's a pose-off between the top fighters?

2) More participants does not guarantee a higher yield. Super-Fly has been brilliant for many years. Call it an anamoly, if you will. When Choco, Estrada, Rungvisai and Cuadras were all mixing it (2016-2021) no other division could compare. If we include the fighter's who've simply graced the division (as I suspect you're doing with 30/35/40), and we add the likes of Inoue, Bam, and Ioka, then it's a complete wipeout.

 

1. Questionable claim that has nothing to do with the division actually being deeper.
2. 135 with Loma, Teo, Tank, Ryan, Pitbull, Keyshawn Davis, Martin, Haney and Shakur (either there already or willing to go up) was better than any point for 115.

And Bam and Inoue don’t get credit for being in the mix with the great 115s at their best, especially not Inoue who was right there to take those fights.

 

I know you that, you've already said it.

But like I said, it doesn't matter how deep a division is if you don't face the best in the division.

 

He wouldn't even be top 5 for beating Shakur.

His only chance at getting a high p4p ranking is actually fighting the best in the division, which right now is Loma

 

True depth is determined by results from top-level mingling. We know how good the 70's heavies were (for example) by their willingness to fight one another. Tank, Shakur, Haney, all quality fighters...who haven't fought each other...so we don't know how good. See the issue here?

But your first point was that 112-115 didn't have the depth...

The Top Five Super-Flys via Ring Magazine, circa 2017.

1) Naoya Inoue
2) Roman Gonzalez
3) Carlos Cuadras
4) Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
5) Juan Francisco Estrada

You'll struggle to find a better top five in the last quarter century.

 

Bam by a distance

 

Gervonta Davis, he’s a multiple weight world champion and beat most guys in their prime in those world title fights.

 

Yes and no...

P4P isn't just about division, it's about weight - Lomas small for the weight, Tanks not.

Beating Loma would definitely enhance his credentials, no question - and more than the unproven Shakur.

But for P4P, Tank would have to completely change his modus operandi - refusing to fight guys who are bigger than you without debilitating rehydration clauses hurts Tanks claims to P4P status every bit as much as weight bullying to fight guys 10lbs+ lighter (like Haney does, for example).

Tanks refusal to fight the best at all, let alone on level playing fields whilst other fighters go up to divisions that aren't the absolute lightest they can drain themselves down to makes it difficult to rate him near the top at all.

 

You used a lot of words to say Ellerbe is a tool. I like that.

Cheers.

 

Bam took the lead last night.

 

According to your rules, not everyone else’s. Lomachenko struggled with Jamaine Ortiz. Shakur is better.