Better Resume. Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweather Jr

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More or less, but the weight is distributed differently on their frame, and like I said, the difference I'm talking about had more to do with Marquez's own conditioning than with either opponent.

 

That was a little too easy.

 

Easy how? I never claimed a huge disparity in weight. But for the record, I think that's the heaviest Manny ever weighed in at welter.

 

You said that was a part of it, but you also included this in that very same sentence:
"along with the more negligible size difference between Manny and Juan."

If the size is negligible between Pacquiao and Marquez then it would also be negligible between those two and Mayweather if Floyd's the same size as Manny. If that's the case, why bring it up?

Who cares if the weight is distributed differently? Can't you say that about almost every fighter due to the fact that everyone's body is different? It's hard to discredit a fighter because of how genetics created his body. That's something that no one can control.

 

You said that Mayweather was bigger than Pacquiao and you even gave a fake weight that you couldn't prove as your proof. I already knew you couldn't prove it and that's why I asked you instead of pointing it out myself.

 

name one win that floyd has that is on the same level?

 

You act as if I orchestrated some huge lie Mayweather's tale of the tape is not going to be a huge leap away from 153 on fight night.

The point in pointing out the difference in the quality of weight between Manny and Floyd is easy when you think about it; Pac could comfortably make a 144 catch-weight, and Floyd, right up to the night before the fight, could not.

And the frame of a fighter matters, especially when one has a 5 inch reach advantage on him, and the other doesn't.

And I reiterate, what matters most in terms of physicality was JMM's own lack of proper conditioning.

You can stop defending Floyd so fervently when my only point is to highlight the ridiculousness in suggesting Floyd had no advantages related to size against Marquez, and that the Tito win for BHop is somehow inferior.

 

It doesn't matter how big or how small the lie was, the fact is you blatantly lied about it knowing that you had no proof of what you were claiming.

You said:
"Pac doesn't rehydrate to the same extent"

You also said:
"Pac usually rehydrates to about 148 and has a much smaller frame, and Floyd somewhere around 153."

Your only point was to disprove the ridiculous belief that Floyd had no advantages? Then why did you bring up these two things that weren't true? All you had to say was Mayweather had longer arms or something like that, but that's not what you did. You made up things just to further your argument.

I wasn't defending Floyd "fervently" as you put it. Go back in this thread for proof. I only made one small comment to you that forced you to expose yourself as a liar and now you're actually trying to make it sound like I'm the one with an agenda. All I did was speak the truth. Why did you feel the need to lie again?

 

I didn't lie you ******, I gave a wrong guess. I've explained myself so give it a rest. The size advantage wasn't all about weight, and Floyd has consistently rehydrated past Pac's usual fight night weights. I say "fervently" because you seem obsessed with the concept. Are you done now?

 

Hopkins resume gets so Overrated. Who has Hopkins actually beat at their natural weight ?

Hopkins resume

Loss against Roy, in which Roy completely outclasses him
Win against Trinidad - Was a good win but Trindad is a blown up welterweight
Win against Oscar - Oscar had no business at Middleweight and was really coming off a terrible loss to Sturm.
Lost twice to Taylor - Granted it was close, it was still a Loss
Win vs Tarver - Good Win
Loss to Calzaghe - Hopkins definitely lost and remember Calzaghe was moving up from 168 to 175. He had never even fought at 175 before.
Win vs Pavlik - Pavlik was another fighter having to come up in weight. He was 160 fighter having to move up to 170.
Win vs Wright - Winky was past it, inactive, whose best days were at 154. He has to move up from 160 to 170 in order to fight Hopkins.
Win vs Pascal - good win
Loss vs Dawson.

So Hopkins best wins have come against guys who were either small or against guys who had to move up in weight alot. Hopkins is a hall of famer but stop overrating his resume.

 

Now you're resorting to name calling? I must have really gotten under your skin.

You didn't explain yourself. You tried to backtrack and spin your own words after they were proven false. I guess you want me to believe you misquoted yourself too right?

Can you prove that Floyd rehydrates past Pacquiao on most cases? If so, by how much? According to what you're saying, it has to be by a large amount and it gives Floyd a huge advantage right?

How am I obsessed? I asked you one small question and that was it. You decided to keep it going and you're foolish enough to call me a ******, because I exposed you as a liar. I only spoke the truth and you decided to tell lies to help your argument, but I'm the one with the agenda right?

 

I've always liked Hopkins, but I agree with some of what you're saying. A lot of his wins against named opponents aren't that spectacular when you look at them from a proper perspective.

 

I apologize for calling you a ******, but cut the **** about "exposing me as a liar" You tell me what Floyd's usual fight night weight is then, and whether it's such a drastically different number as 153. Around 150 is what most say, correct? For some reason he was unable to get down to a 144 catch-weight; the weight on him must be less easy to shed off than it is for Manny. And at welterweight, Pac is usually 146, 147, 148, etc. But all that is largely besides my original points. Again, physically, the problem was mostly with Marquez's conditioning. And again, there is more to size than weight, like how it sits on a fighter's frame and how that works into the stylistic dynamic of the fight.

 

Floyd's got more stars on his resume, but Hopkins has that longevity so I'mma go with Bhop on this one but I think its close