Better Resume....Calzaghe @ 168 or Hamed @ 126

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  1. KingKrish

    KingKrish Active Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe made 20 defences of the WBO Title:

    1. Chris Eubank - was 32 past his best had already been beaten soundly and too the Calzaghe fight on 2 weeks notice when originally scheduled to face Mark prince for euro Light heavy title - deceptive win for Joe byt excellent name. (former)

    2. Brank Sabot- average fighter....WBO title tends to invite medeocre challenger.

    3. Juan Carlos Giminez - again poor opposition

    4. Robin Reid - Reid was well beaten by a 38 year old Sugar Boy Malinga. He had no where to go...face Joe and gave him his hardest fight. Joe was 28 at the time....people must be crazy if they thought Joe would have beaten Jones at Hopkins in their prime. (former champ)

    5. Rick Thornbery- another shocker...how does Warren and the WBO get away with it ....lol

    6. David Starie...somehow Warren manouvered Starie into no:1 challenger spot...Calzaghe was poor in a UD

    7. Omar Sheika - Pexcellent display from Joe...stopped Sheika a glorified journeyman/brawler in 6.

    8. Riche woodhall - Former champ came out of semi retirement to face Joe...again Joe faced a fighter on the way down....a constant theme in his career.

    9. Mario Viet - another very poor no:1 challenger

    10. Wll Mcyntyre- Will Who ??????rofl...no wonder Hopkins and Jones werent interested in JOE then ....he didnt really make an effort to face a decent fighter those days.

    11. Charles Brewer - former champ again had no where to go after losing his title and had been beaten up by Antwun Echols prior + lost to good old SVEN.....another fighter on the slide....

    12. Miguel Angel Jiminez- very sterile opposition WBO seem to sanction anything....as if Frank Warren needs encouragement.

    13. Tucker Pudwill - Need I say more

    14.Byron Mitchell - probably Joes best test to that point...mitchel was never p4p material was coming of a loss....a top 5 supermiddle ...Joe was super in this fight despite the home cooking stopage from the most currupt official in uk. former champ


    15. Mgar Mitchkan- WHO???

    16.Kabary salem - another unusual sanction by the WBO.

    17. Mario Viet- this makes Hopkins defences against Robert Allen look like ALI - FRAZIER

    18.Evans Ashira- Kessler sparring partner--need I say more

    19. Jeff Lacy - AT LAST calzaghe faces an unbeaten fighter on his way up, Lacy struggled against Omar Sheika (splt decision) but convinced veryone he was a Mike Tyson by beating a 35 yr old REID and 38 Pemberton. Calzaghes signature win.


    20.Sakio Bika - Winner of Contender

    21.Manfredo- runner up of Contender

    22. Kessler - possibly Joes best performance excellent display against a vastly over rated fighter.....Who has Kessler ever beaten??? Andrade??? Rofl give me a break.

    SUMMARY:

    Title defences: 21 (10 KOS)

    Champs faced Current: 2

    former: 5




    Naseem HAMED



    1. Steve robinson - no:2 feather at the time- Hamed Ko in 8

    2. Said Lawal - Tucker pudwill type opposition - Hamed blows them away though.

    3.Daniel alicea - World Jr Amatuer champ - Hamed kos him in 2

    4. Manuel Medina - Media a 4 time champ was still in his prime had never been KOD - Hamed ko in 11

    5. Remigio Molina - a shoking sanction by WBO - KO in 2

    6. Tom Johnson - Johnson was the longest reigning champ in boxing at the time 13 defences of IBF title. ring had im P4P nr:12 at the time. Hamed Kod him in 8.

    7. Billy Hardy - past his sell by date and was treated as such Kod in 1

    8. Juan Cabrerra - a shocking sanction by WBO Kod in 2


    9.Joes Badillio - fresh challenger Kod in 7 a good win.

    10.Kevin Kelly ....Kelly was 30 at the time had come of a win vs Smoke Gainer...was a tad past his best...but had never been Kod in 50 fights was (50-1) at the time...Hamed Kos him in back yard NYC...in a war

    11. wilfredo Vazquez - 3 weight champ Kod in 7 (was current WBA)

    12. Wayne Mccolough....rock hard Irishman ...1st fight Hamed doesnt get a KO. (former champ)

    13. Paul Ingle- win was dubious at the time but Ingle went on to become IBF champ Koing Jr Jones...


    14. Cezar Soto - WBC champ beat hameds nearest challenger (Luisiti Espinosa) - Hamed looked poor but fought the guy in the states ...unifies the title again.

    15. Vuyani Bungu - super KO for Hamed - Bungu was an excellent super bantam champ 13 defenes (IBF current)

    16. Augie Sanchez - Hamed Kod him in a war...looked an average win till Sanchez Kod Luisito Espinosa in 4 in his next fight.

    17. LOSS- even though people say he got exposed...no shame in losing to an all TIME GREAT in his prime....at least he faced one and in the US.



    Summary:

    Defences: 16 (KOS :14)


    Current champs faced:5

    former champs: 5




    CONCLUSION: from assesment and having followed both....Hameds resume/opposition is far superior to Joes.

    Hamed and Calzaghe both fought poor oppositon ....Calzaghe though was more consistant with that.

    Hamed also faced better CURRENT threats than Joe.

    Hamed also beat his victims with KO. Style of win is important.

    I also dont think it is any coincidence that JOE got his defining fights vs LEGENDS at light Heaby (Hopkins and Jones both past their best) after he beat Kessler and Lacy ....he became credible after those wins...something he was not when fighting Mario Viet etc.....



    Over all Hameds reign was more accomplished and he was far readier to test himself. also no coincidence Hamed gets to face alegend in his prime when he leaves Warren.

    ONE thing though Hamed is easily more dislikable which tends to effect judgement.
     
  2. imp4pdabest

    imp4pdabest Guest

    Good thread, especially from a newbie. But honestly, you were biased in this thread.
     
  3. Blue145

    Blue145 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So you don;t like Calzaghe but love Hamed.. fair enough
     
  4. KingKrish

    KingKrish Active Member Full Member

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    no Hamed is an ass....and was pleased to see a Great fighter like Barrera win.

    But facts are facts....and records can be deceptive.
     
  5. KingKrish

    KingKrish Active Member Full Member

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    Hamed is instantly a dislikable brat....Calzaghe is a role model DAD...

    that can cloud peoples judgement.

    for example....Kostya Tszyu was so dignified in his reign despite losing to Hatton and Phillips...but some people rate him as the best light welter ever......for wins over Judah and Mtichell etc.
     
  6. Blue145

    Blue145 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe is an arrogant ****. So is Hamed.

    Tzsyu is one of the best LW ever, it's not historically a strong division.
     
  7. KingKrish

    KingKrish Active Member Full Member

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    most Champions have arrogance...they need that
     
  8. Blue145

    Blue145 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep its never a bad thing. You would be if you were a quality sportsperson, I know I would.
     
  9. KingKrish

    KingKrish Active Member Full Member

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    If Kessler and Lacy went onto super things I would change my mind.....but I am not suprised....none of those to guys are TOP draw material...

    Even Calzaghe said..."whats Kessler done"
     
  10. Sean101

    Sean101 Active Member Full Member

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    An umbiased arguement lol
     
  11. KingKrish

    KingKrish Active Member Full Member

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    if i am being biased....please comment where I have been biased....the facts are there....not FABRICATION
     
  12. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    You present your opinion as fact (home cooking stoppage against Mitchell for example when it was a legitamate stoppage - sheika could be argued as premature) which shows your bias.

    Hamed's legacy is arguably better than Calzaghe's but you present Calzaghe's case poorly.

    Consistency is the key in a comparison.
     
  13. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dont see whats so biased, he stated facts. OK maybe he downplayed a few of Joe's biggest wins but regardless, it doesnt change a thing. Overall opposition, Hamed had the clear advantage. How a champ of p4p level like Joe could get away with fighting those type of opponents is beyond me. Some of the top guys get crucified if they even take a tuneup.
     
  14. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Not yours though. lol
    It obviously did affect yours. You talk every win of joe's down while
    building hamed's mediocre wins up. Alicea. world jr amatuer champ. lol
    It's ovious you're a joe hater.
    Question for you. Who retired undefeated? Who won their marquee fights?
    HUH? Cat got your tongue? Dumbass!! STFU
     
  15. smitty_son408

    smitty_son408 J ust E njoy T his S hit Full Member

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    Hamed, but Calzaghe will go down in history as the greater fighter.