Better Resume: Calzaghe Or Jermain Taylor?

Wright and Hopkins were never destroyed by anyone. Those two beat just about everyone on Calzaghe's resume. Calzaghe's work after 2005 is what puts him ahead of Taylor. If you take away those years, Taylor is definately ahead. That's the point I was making.

 

not saying that taylor's resume is necessarily better than calzaghe, but i'll list 4 mw contenders off the top of my head: hopkins (2x), pavlik (2x), WW (at least a 'contender' at that weight even if he's a better lmw), joppy (former titlelist, probably still a contender when taylor got him)

 

Loses are irrelevant... they don't change the fact that he beat those other great fighters.

 

Hopkins fair enough but Wrights achievements at 168 would leave it open to debate whether he'd beat some of those fighters on Calzaghes record. You're right, pre-2005 Calzaghes record was nothing special. I just don't see that Hopkins and Wright (a light middle) aside, that Taylors is either? 2 loses to Pavlik and then wins over welters/ lt middles in Spinks, Ouma, Marquez etc.

 

Calzaghe's resume is mediocre because he never forced Warren into making the fights that would of mattered. "Frank, get Ottke over here, I don't care what you have to pay him. If you don't i'm getting another promoter" Maybe it's a bit harder than that, but you get the point.


Manfredo, Pudwill, McIntyre, Jimenez, Sobot, Ashira, Salem,

replace with Ottke, Larsen, Braehmer, Echols, Tate, Lucas, Catley

 

God....I knew people didn't have a clue:-( .........Hopkins was the CHAMP,not a contender,Pavlik in the first fight only(where he got KO'd;second fight doesn't count cuz Pavlik was the CHAMP,plus it was at SMW),Winky was a JMW almost all his career(not a natural MW),and yes I agree with Joppy,altough he was past it by then.So you gave me just 2.You know why you can't name 4?Cuz there aren't any,he was feed a diet of JMWs till he got the title shot and after.He was a MW fighting smaller guys.Calzaghe was fighting guys in his division,and I bet I can name 4 SMW contenders Calzaghe fought.

 

Calzaghe. I think you also have to look how each beat their opponents. Calzaghe has had a much easier time beating his opponents, than Taylor. Calzaghe has taken to school everyone, including B-hop. Yes, B-hop. It wasn't close in my eyes. And I will tell you why. Calzaghe almost ridiculed B-hop in the ring, when he boinked him from behind in front of millions of people, and B-hop didn't retaliate back. B-hop couldn't do anything about it! I really liked the way Taylor looked against Lacy. I am a fan of both guys.

 

just imagine what calzaghe would do to cory spinks

 

Cazlaghe fans want everyone to think that 43 year old Hopkins, 39 year old shot Jones, Kessler and Lacy can overcome the fact that Cazlaghe did almost nothing before that..I recall a time before the fight with Lacy that most people that were posting here at the time felt that Ottke's resume was far better then Joes... the only thing that has changed are the four fights that I just listed. Did those fights boost Joes resume, of course they did, those are good fighters even that version of Jones would beat everyone on Joes Resume pre-lacy right now.

 

I assumed you meant 4 opponents who were at minimum MW contenders, and I STILL think i gave u 4 (WW is being about lined up for a current MW title shot and has been mentioned as a Joe C opponent so i think he's widely considered at least a contender at mw). If your question meant to exclude champions (like hopkins) then I guess I stand corrected, but i don't see the point to that type of question. Aren't you trying to show he hasn't fought legit top MWs? and if so, why wouldn't you factor in actual MW champs he fought (hopkins)?

 

Imagine what Taylor would do to Calzaghe's third best win, Jeff Lacy. Wait a minute, we don't have to imagine. Let's also not forget that Taylor came up for that fight while you're talking about what Calzaghe(a LHW) would do to a JMW.

 

Lacy is not his 3rd best win, Taylor fought at super-middle in his last fight so was not 'coming up', Lacy has not been the same fighter since Joe raped him in the ring, Calzaghe doesn't feast on blown up smaller fighters anyway, he leaves that to Taylor and Hopkins.

 

that says mre about your lack of knowledge than anything else. so a shot roy jones ( assuming you know what shot means ) would beat a chris eubank who went on to challenge for the cruiserweight title , a robin reid who was in his prime or a very competitive byron mitchell ? if you answer yes he either wasnt shot or you dont know those fighters

 

Lacy is Calzaghe's 3rd best win, and it was his first fight against an actual SMW since you want to be technical about it. It goes Hopkins, Kessler, then Lacy. Please don't mention guys like Reid, Mitchell, Woodhall, and Brewer. Eubank might be ahead of Lacy if he didn't take the fight on such short notice, and if he didn't have to cut so much weight.

 

Calzaghe without a doubt. Taylor has two disputed wins over Hopkins (age difference?) and a decision over the fighter that Calzaghe ruined.....Jeff Lacy.

Pavlik showed us what Taylor is made of. I'd hate to see what Kessler would do to him. 'World of Pain' springs to mind.