Better resume - Dempsey or Wills

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's not about who would win if the two met. Just who had better, deeper resume?
     
  2. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    Dempsey has the better resume imo and I think he would have beaten Wills if they had fought.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Wills clearly beat more top ranked guys, and clearly beat the better fighters. But he did a lot of repeating himself (For obvious reasons). So it's how you weigh Dempsey's variety versus Wills repeating himself.
     
  4. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you take the "colored" group into account Wills had a very good resume and Dempsey fought the best available. Both men missed fighting each other
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Dempsey didn't fight the best available.
     
  6. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is pretty accurate, it would of been nice had Dempsey fought one or two top black fighters of the day if he had I would clearly favor his resume, as it is, it's really debatable who had the better resume. I lean Dempsey because of the variety. Quite simply Wills had mastered most of the old black dynamite crew and his record is very padded by repeat fights with the same opponent. If the tables were reversed and Dempsey fought Carpentier 22x and had say 20 wins against him it wouldn't be as impressive of feat as defeating a variety of opponents over the same span of fights.
     
  7. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Impossible!
     
  8. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know people say Greb but he fought Tunney who beat Greb pretty much at that time. He also did not fight Wills but I don't think it was his doing. He fought Sharkey and he was inactive.

    Who do you think he missed that was deserving other than Wills ?
     
  9. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Bummy , Tunney started fighting Greb in 1922 and did not fight Dempsey till 26 .. Greb was after Dempsey from 1920 ..
     
  10. The Long Count

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    Dempsey missed Wills and Greb and he was a very inactive champion. Missing Both fights dent his legacy a touch. Wills being black was greatly hampered by the legacy of Jack Johnson. Johnson broke the glass ceiling, but sometimes after that change occurs slowly in increments. It didn't help that Johnson proceeded to rub White America's face in it either. I feel Wills was avoided more because he was black rather than because he was good. If Wills accomplished everything he had, but was caucasian the fight would of took place.
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Clearly it is Wills.
     
  12. janitor

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    Then I guess Wills didn't either.........
     
  13. janitor

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    When you think about it wills missed Willard, Dempsey, Greb, and even himself!

    I mean what a bum!
     
  14. McGrain

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    I don't think so - but then nobody in this thread has claimed that he did...that's the kind of claim people only make, absolutely outrageously and entirely without basis, on behalf of a fighter like JD. Nobody would ever say that about Wills - or Peter Jackson. But guys like Dempsey and Sullivan? Sure.
     
  15. klompton2

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    Tunney didnt convincingly beat Greb until 1925. Prior to that, you know the previous six years of Dempsey's reign, Tunney was not considered a clear contender for Dempsey and in fact it took him beating Gibbons even later to move into that spot and he still never supplanted Wills for the top spot.