Better resume Leonard or Robinson?

I'd go out on a limb, and say that Leonard's has more quality. He loses points for lack of quantity.

 

Although Leonard has the bigger and better wins on his resume, the depth of Robinson's is so overwhelming in comparison to Leonard's that he clearly takes this

Robinson's depth in his resume is almost unmatchable, that only a very select few have matched or slightly surpassed it.

 

honestly, leonard fought some of the best fighters of all time, but so did robinson, in much greater numbers. robinson has the better resume.

 

whats your favourite angott fight?

 

Not really out on a limb IMO. Hagler, Hearns and Duran are better than most, with Gavilan and Armstrong strongly comparable. I suppose LaMotta if you consider him a Top 10 Middleweight.

 

the zivic fight, angott brought it that night. :bbb

 

On this forum mate, picking against Robinson at anything is out on a limb. :verysad

You may of noticed, I pick against him quite alot.

Wilfred Benitez is also an excellent win for SRL.

 

Robinson by a lot.

 

Ray Robinson and it's not close.

 

Well, I happen to consider Robinson the GOAT and I don't find it outrageous in the slightest. That means You certainly shouldn't. Start asking these guys to break down all of the fighters being mentioned that have obvious poor form or that there's no film of. For me, it's just a matter of Robinson defeating so, so many of the rated fighters between 147-160 of his own time that it's hard to deny his placing. Some of them WERE obviously great. Leonard's very top wins (what define his legacy, really) are surely comparable, however.

 

Leonard is the only top 10 ATG who is in there with so few fights. That says alot. I think if we take the top 4-5 wins for each, then Ray Leonard comes out on top. I think that the number of fights, and contenders fought by Robinson gives his supporters a solid argument.

As a side note, Ray Robinson AND Ray Leonard, would have nightmares with a peak James Toney :smoke

 

leonard no doubt comes out on top when it comes to his top four or five wins, and anyone who's familiar with both fighters know that, but where I disagree with you comes in your following point. the number of fights and contenders who robinson fought give his supporters, leonard fans, and impartial pundits, an overwhelming argument.

 

Fair enough.

I wouldn't disagree with that second part either, and I'm sure you'd cite rehydration as well.

 

well considering they'd be fighting 2 weight classes above their best weights I'd have to assume so.

 

Highly debateable:


SRL:

KO15 Benitez
KO8 Duran
KO14 Hearns
W12 Hagler
KO9 Kalule


SRR:

W10 Lamotta
W15 Gavilan
KO5 Fullmer
W10 Angott
KO2 Olson


There's more star power at the top of Leonard's resume, but when you consider the context of the wins there isn't much between them. Robinson gave up 15lbs in beating a prime LaMotta, destroyed Fullmer when well past his best, and beat a prime Angott when Robinson was still a relative novice.