Better resume Mayeather or De la Hoya

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Yeah... except for the fact that he beat two highly ranked ATG's while they were both World Champions in Chavez and Whitaker. Let alone guys like Quartey, Vargas, Ruelas, Camacho, Mayorga, Hernandez, Gonzalez, Molina, ect.... I don't even need to mention guys like Gatti who always get mentioned as Mayweather's big wins. Just like Hernandez always gets mentioned... yet those same people say Oscar always lost his big fights. Oscar just happened to fight both of them much earlier and stop both of them even quicker.

Guys don't even bother mentioned Campas (who is a big win for Tito and Vargas somehow)... or long standing Champs like Castillejo, who not only was the 154 lb WBC Champ when Oscar beat him... but who also came back AFTER Oscar beat him to win the interm WBC title at 154 against Roman Karmazin (when then went on to win the IBF title)... and then move up to Middleweight and win the WBA Middleweight title! Not to mention guys like Jorge Paez who was a long standing IBF champ, who was able to jump up to 135 and give Whitaker one hell of a fight, and only lose by decision. Oscar blew him out in 2 rounds. Or Jesse James Leija who had just beat Azumah Nelson for the WBC title a year before Oscar blew him out in 2 rounds.

Oscar De La Hoya was an ATG before he was even robbed in his fight against Trinidad. Which true boxing fans should be counting as a win for Oscar. We shouldn't need horrible judges to determine what we know happened in the ring. It isn't like Trinidad becomes better than Oscar just because the Judges ****ed everything up. Oscar still boxed his ears off that night and proved to be the better man.

This nonsense is just ridiculous. Oscar De La Hoya might have the greatest resume in the history of boxing. Floyd Mayweather doesn't even come close. DEFINTELY not if you are just counting who you fought... and not even if you just count wins. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

 

Chavez was shot. Whitaker was severely faded and on cocaine. Oscar struggling Whitaker says more about Oscar then it does about Whitaker, when Whitaker barey squeaked out 2 decisions to Rivera, and got a timely KO against Hurtado in a very close fight. Whitaker was clearly way past it at this point.

And Mayweather victories over Jesus Chavez, Genaro Hernandez(In his natural weight class), Corrales, Castillo(Greatest light weight of his era), Angel Manfredy, Hatton, Mosley, Baldomir, Judah, Mitchell, Corley, ect ect is if as not as good, clearly better.

Gatti is mentioned as a big win because of the performance and it was Mayweathers first breakthrough into the mainstream. While Oscar was just bigger physically then Gatti, Mayweather beat Gatti with flair. As to why people remember the Gatti vs Mayweather fight and nobody remembers the Oscar vs Gatti fight.

So basically he was a paper titlest. AWesome victory.

On a robbery. Sturm was robbed. Oscar lost. He himself admits that he cried when he got home after the fight.

YOu mean the same Jorge Paez that got knocked out by Angel Manfredy and Genaro Hernandez?? Same guys who Floyd demolished? Do tell!

If you count that as a win for Oscar. Then Oscar lost to Ike Quartey, Pernell Whitaker, and Felix Sturm.

 

whitaker was, number 3 at the time I think, it was labeled pound for pound lol.
i remember seeing quartey in a top ten list, I think the KO 100 the year before Oscar fought him. He fought Oscar off a long layoff and a tough fight with Jose Luis Lopez, so he probably dropped down most people's lists.
People argue he beat Trinidad, who was top ten.
Mosley might have been top ten for their rematch, which he arguably won
Chavez may have been low top ten when he beat him, can't recall
you can't really compare him to gatti, as he was highly competitive in the fights he lost to those great fighters, besides Pac past his prime and Hopkins who was too big.
Great fighters should get extra credit for stepping up and taking the challenges Oscar did to prove themselves, win or lose. Duran is a beneficiary of that benefit too

 

It's not a bad resume. If you think its the best of all time you need to see a doctor to get your meds adjusted.

 

Im pretty sure Whitaker was 33 and on drugs. I couldn't find Quartey on any past pound for pound lists. Even though most people felt he beat Mosley and Tito is wasn't a win on his resume. Chavez was not in the top 10. I don't have a problem giving Oscar credit for fighting the best. But if we are basing fighters off who they fought and not actual wins then he would have won fighter of the decade with ease.

 

Which ones? He beat Shane Mosley both times, according to me and many other fans. He lost a close fight to prime Floyd and he was shot when he lost to Pacquiao.

 

Oscar beat Javier Castillejo, the guy who knocked out Felix Sturm.

 

Honestly, I don't even feel the need to give you a worthwhile response. I used to sit for hours and hours and try to get people to understand logic and facts. However, over the years of posting here it has become clear that some people just toss out their biased opinions and pretend like they mean more than reality. A person like you can never see the truth... because you aren't interested in seeing the truth. I have already provided all of the info needed to prove my point. Your blabbering has done nothing to change it no matter how many laughing faces you line up in a row.

Nobody in the history of boxing has fought the lineup of fighters that Oscar has.

Julio Cesar Chavez (twice)
Pernell Whitaker
Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao
Felix Trinidad
Shane Mosley (Twice)
Hector Camacho
Ike Quartey
Fernando Vargas
Ricardo Mayorga
Rafael Ruelas
Genaro Hernandez
Jorge Paez
Arturo Gatti
Jesse James Leija
Yori Boy Campas
Javier Castillejo
John John Molina
Obe Carr
Miguel Angel Gonzalez

I will just leave you with that. That's a resume that is going to be damn hard to beat. There isn't a fighter in the history of boxing who wouldn't have some losses after moving from 130 to 160 and back down to 147... fighting all of those guys. Floyd Mayweather doesn't even come close to that resume. To argue that fact is just ******ed.

 

He lost one of the mosley's fights.

 

Well let's see.

Mayweather
Boxer 1996-Present- Record single PPV event
Mayweather Promotions
Philthy Rich Records
Acts like an ass

DLH
Boxer 1992-2008- Record single PPV event, most PPV sales in history
Golden Boy Promotions- Founder, a top echelon promotional company
Sexy face
Acts gay sometimes


Hmmm I'd say it's close but clear for DLH.

 

Gotta be oscar. His wins over chavez and pea surpass floyd's over oscar and shane.

Victories over guys like gonzalez, camacho, quartey, tito, castillejo (the man who beat the man who ended norris's reign of terror and would go onto beat karmazin and knockout felix sturm), vargas, mosley in the rematch floyd is a level behind. Not to mention a past prime knockout over mayorga and a very good losing effort to floyd himself.

I don't really see this as being that close tbh.

However if floyd follows through and fights ortiz, khan and pac then i'd say he's bettered it.

 

First off Oscar had the financial pull secure big fights like no other fighter has in history. Secondly, this is a discussion about resume. Which is who you beat and not who you fight.

Umm and third I can name 4 off the top of my head. Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Duran, and Henry Armstrong. And they actually won their big fights.

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From 130-140 Oscar fought for a bunch of paper belts, against middling competition, while being significantly bigger then his opposition. For instance you mention his victory over Jorge Paez. Jorge Paez was 5'5 68 inch reach, while Oscar was 5'10 1/2 with a 73 inch reach. Mayweathers legacy at 130-140 is far superior to Oscar. Floyd arguably beat THE MAN at 130-135. And established himself as possibly the greatest super featherweight in history.



In terms of beaten opponents. If Floyds not equal, he's clearly ahead. The opposition Floyd has beaten is superior to the opposition Oscar has beaten. REsume is not who you fight, its who you beat.

For instance lets look at

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Floyd Mayweather
Zab Judah
Miguel Cotto
Marcos Maidana
Devon Alexander
Lucas Matthyse
Ener Julio
Randall Bailey
Junior Witter


According to your logic, Chop Chop is a better scalp then Antonio Margarito, Joshua Clottey, and Ike Quartey.

He's fought better fighters. :nut

 

You think the Oscar and Shane Floyd fought dont bludgeon that verson of Chavez that Oscar fought. You do realize why Mexicans hate Oscar dont you? You do know that Oscar was the clear favorite over Chavez and Whitaker and they were both seen as past their best?

Floyds victory over Demarcus Corley is greater then that version of Hector Camacho. Put it this way Oscar had the same advantages over Hector Camacho that Floyd had over Juan Manuel Marquez. Except that while Marquez is an ATG, Hector Camacho despite being one of my favorite fighters of all time was a ******, who squandered his potential. Camacho was 7 years past his prime. And hadnt beaten a name opponent (Not counting shot to **** versions of Duran and Leonard since beating Haugen in 91).


IF you list Tito as a victory, you have to take away Oscars wins over Quartey, Whitaker and Sturm. And his resume become significantly less.

I dont rate CAstillejo at all really. Before he fought Oscar he lost 3 times, won a bunch of meaningless bouts against middling competition, somehow got a belt, held onto it as most European titlest do fighting nobodies. His only significant victory is knocking out Sturm, who is only considered a name opponent because he got robbed against Oscar De La Hoya. Oscar picked Sturm because he was viewed as an easy opponent with a paper title.

List there victories side by side and its clear Mayweather has the edge.

 

We'll never know if they'd bludgeon them or not. But considering prime oscar failed to bludgeon that whittaker I wouldn't expect past prime oscar nor shane to bludgeon him. The first chavez fight is mired by a cut, it's the rematch where he brutalised him.

Haha first time i've seen him called a ****** who squandered potential lol. Do agree to an extent tho he did waste his talent on legends from the last decade.

I take away sturm, wasn't even a close fight. But I believe he beat quartey, tito, shane2 and maybe pea, either way fight.

He beat the man who beat noris, so he held the lineal belt. I'm not saying he's an atg but it's certainly a notable victory. Regarding sturm, he's probably the second best mw today, as painful as that sounds, and he clearly beat oscar.

Depends how you score the fights. Imagine that you believe oscar deserved victories over pea, ike, tito and shane 2. So in his prime he'd only lost to shane 1, which he'd later avenge, how would you compare the two then?