Better resume: Mayweather Jr or Roy Jones Jr

Wrong

 

The Canelo win is not a bad win, but you can't compare it to beating Ruiz at HW.

What Canelo did after matters, but you can't extend it indefinitely. Floyd beat a version similar to the one that beat Trout and Angulo, maybe Lara, and Roy beat a similar Hopkins to the one that won the MW title after he vacated. I'm not arguing he beat a peak Hopkins, but beating a green Hopkins at MW (a certified modern ATG) with a broken hand is still thus far a better win than a green Canelo at a catchweight. Floyd has many better wins than Canelo, it's not a bias against Floyd, it's how I rate fighters on the night.

 

Ha!

Okay then.

 

Roy Jones by a big margin. James Toney is a legit ATG going from middle to heavyweight with wins over Nunn, Mccallum, Jirov, Holyfield, Ruiz. Toney was fighting 10 times a year. I believe fought 6/7 times in the same year he fought Reggie Johnson, Mccallum, Nunn & Sosa, who were legit fighters, top 10 in the division at least. Hopkins also another legitimate ATG, that has gone on to do things no one else has been capable of.

Those two wins are much better than anything Mayweather has ever accomplished. Reggie Johnson, Virgil Hill, Antonio Tarver, even Thulani Malinga who at the age of 42 beat David Reid for the super Middleweight title, and at 41 beat a 29 year old Nigel Benn, is better than most credit. Montell Griffin was a top fighter in his prime also, as was Ruiz, another underrated Roy Jones win. Roy dominated these men. It is not an overstatement with Roy Jones when these guy’s were made to “look” like bums. In comparison people like to list names like Ortiz, Guerrero, Maidana for Mayweather, who have accomplished and proven much less than the lesser names of Roy Jones. None were drained, jumping two divisions, old, inactive etc. Neither People like to bring up wins like Mosley for Mayweather, which has about as much bearing as Roy’s win over Mike Mccallum, who for good reason is never brought up to prop Roy up.

Roy Jones is much greater than Mayweather imo. And he thoroughly dominated these top fighters.

 

True. His record was 22-1 at the time and his opposition was limited. Hindsight showed that he was one of the latest bloomers in boxing history and it’s because of such hindsight that Jones’ win over him has risen in stock. While I still consider it to be a “ good “ victory, I think Mayweather’s wins over Saul Alvarez, Genaro Hernandez and Miguel Cotto were better. Victories have to be put into “ context.” People simply listing names to impress tourists doesn’t tell the whole story l.

 

Hernandez yes. I'd like to have seen Floyd fight short armed come forward Cotto in 04 at 140, he was smart letting it wait. And smart with the weight catch against inexperienced Canelo. Good timing, great timing actually.

 

Actually Corrales is Floyd's best win

 

I agree that it was a great win.

 

Here’s the complete breakdown. This is not that hard.

1. Toney>Pac, barely. May and Pac were 1 and 2 pfp. Toney was was third, and Roy was bottom of the top ten pfp. Roy and Floyd were dominant. Floyd and Pac were both past it. Toney had questionable conditioning and would turn out to be more limited than perceived at that time. Slight edge to Roy because they were prime during that fight.
2. Canelo>Hopkins, easily. Both “green” according to detractors, but really weren’t. Due to age and weight advantages, and Canelo’s resume going into the fight and immediately after, this is an easy pick. Canelo was already in pfp lists.
3. Corrales>Hill. Corrales top five pfp and favored. Easy pick.
4. Castillo I and II>Griffin I and II.
5. Oscar>Tarver. Tarver was peaking, but Oscar was better and had a large weight advantage.
6. Hatton>Ruiz. Ruiz weighed more but also got outclassed by Toney. Hatton was pfp and had a weight advantage too.
7. Mosley>McCallum. Shane was lineal 147 and 3rd pfp. Both were old.
8. Cotto>Harding
9. Genero>Johnson. Reggie was washed up)
10. Maidanax2>Woods
11. Judah>Gonzalez
12. Marquez>Tate
13. Guerrero>Castro. Guerrero was pfp top 10.
14. Jesus Chavez>Del Valle
15. Manfredy>Malinga
16. Baldomir>Paz
17. Corley>Lucas
18. Carlos Hernandez>Telesco
19. Ortiz >Sosa
20. Gatti, Berto, Ndou, Mitchell, and Sosa>>>Hall, Thornton, and whichever shot fighter or scrub I am failing to mention

*Roy also tested positive for steroids and spent his mid thirties and beyond being knocked unconscious. Floyd was pfp 1 while in the same age range.

Tarver over Oscar and Ruiz over Hatton could maybe be argued but not really. Outside of that and Toney, it’s a sweep.

 

Lol. I think we can all see where this one is going.

 

Meanwhile, over in the General forum, apparently Manny was in his PRIME when he fought Floyd at 36.

Ha!

 

I don’t know why you’re worshipping John Ruiz. Cotto could also be easily put above him along with the others I named at higher places. Nobody takes Ruiz seriously.

 

I can’t see how Floyd’s win over Cotto was better than Roy’s win over Hopkins. Not in any way.

Yes, Bernard wasn’t ranked high at the time. But that was just circumstances. That specific version of Hopkins would have been ranked highly if his circumstances had been different. That version of Hopkins would be one of the best MW’s today if you were to transport him with a time machine. Although Bernard became better as he aged, the specific version who Roy fought was still a great fighter who was world class. You can see that by watching the fight. And the official scores were way out in my honest opinion, and Roy had a badly damaged hand. He should have postponed the fight. But he wouldn’t pull out because he’d waited 4 years for a title shot.

So I’ll take an injured Roy who dominated a great fighter with ease, over Floyd’s win over a faded Cotto who’d already been bashed up twice years earlier.

The Canelo win was great due to the ease in which Floyd won, and the fact that he was 36 at the time. And it would have been even better had it not been for the unnecessary catch-weight.

 

GTFOH!

You haven’t got a clue have you.

Completely hopeless.

 

You should probably just read other people’s posts here and stop writing since you don’t understand why weight matters in boxing.