Better resume: Mayweather Jr or Roy Jones Jr

You haven’t got a clue how to debate.

You are absolutely hopeless in these kinds of debates.

You don’t allow for circumstances and you don’t apply context.

Prime for prime, and on a P4P basis, Cotto was better than Ruiz.

There’s many things to take into account though.


Although Ruiz wasn’t a great HW, he was a HW.

Roy was 34 years of age and he’d had almost 50 fights.

He was a former MW champion.

You want to talk about Hatton having a slight weight advantage over Floyd?

Ruiz had over 30 pounds of weight over Roy.

He was also taller, with a bigger reach and obviously physically much stronger.

If you’re going to talk up Floyd’s size disadvantages, you can make allowances for this match up.

Although Ruiz wasn’t great, he was still a genuine top 10 world class HW, who’d had three close fights with Evander, who proved that he still had a bit left at that stage.

Now look at the manner of victory.

Roy beat him with absolute ease. It was so easy it was a boring fight.


Cotto was a fine fighter. But he was faded. He’d been bashed up by Marg and Manny a good few years earlier.

Floyd deserves credit for his age, but Cotto gave him a good fight.


You can’t just look from the perspective of Ruiz having an ugly and boring style and not been as great as his contemporaries, whilst you’re thinking about Cotto and what a big name he was and who he’d fought etc.

You have to see things from the perspective of the fighters.

The challenge they brought.

The risk factor.

The degree of difficulty.


Roy easily beat a HW whilst past his best, where he was completely outsized.

Floyd had a clear competitive win over a very good version of Cotto, but one who’d seen better days.


If you consider every factor that I’ve mentioned, there’s no way the Cotto win rates higher.

It can’t do.

 

Roy was not considered past his best. Roy was not doing VADA and had recently tested positive for steroids. Context.

Cotto was near his prime, more prime than Floyd, and was such a higher calibre fighter than Ruiz that it isnt even close.

 

Give a PROPER breakdown where you take everything into account.

What you posted was garbage.

I never said weight didn’t matter.

I said that it wasn’t a factor in the fight with Floyd and Ricky.

Seeing as though you’re so obsessed with weight, why are you rating a win over Cotto higher than Roy’s win over Ruiz, when Roy beat him with absolute ease, despite being outweighed by over THIRTY POUNDS?

Or is it only significant when it happens with Floyd??

 

Ruiz sucked and Roy was on steroids for starters. It would be a top ten win for Floyd but no better.

 

Roy was past his prime.

His prime was at SMW.

The way you view things is so poor.

As predicted, your brain has compared Cotto and Ruiz, on a P4P basis.

It doesn’t work like that.

Sure, prime for prime, and P4P, Cotto was a better fighter than Ruiz.

HOWEVER:

You’re looking at the specific stylistic match ups and taking into account all of the circumstances, such as:

Weight, the manner of victory, where they were in their careers at that point etc.

That’s how you rate a win.

You don’t just think:

“Cotto was better than Ruiz, so Floyd’s win is better”

That’s ignorant.

Floyd had a tough fight with Cotto who was faded, who’d been bashed up by Marg and Cotto. And it wasn’t a one punch knockout like Tua-Ruiz, they were sustained beatings.

Roy moved up to HW at 34, and he fought a 230 pound HW and beat him with absolute ease. A HW who’d beaten Evander and other top 10-20 guys.

It was a bigger challenge.

The performance was far more impressive.

It cannot be rated below a win over Cotto.

That’s absurd.

You don’t know how to rate a win.

All you’re doing is rating on name value.

You’ve put Manny down as Floyd’s best win, despite the fact that he was 36, injured, and Floyd had an illegal IV.

Sort yourself out and start applying some criteria to the debate.

 

TLDR

 

He sucked compared to Lennox.

He was still a top 10 HW though.

Roy was still a 34 year old former MW who’d fought 50 times.

You have no proof that Roy took steroids for Ruiz.

Floyd was the one who had an illegal IV in secret.

You cannot dismiss the Ruiz win, just because you think he sucked due to a horrible, ugly style.

A 34 year old former MW beating ANY top 10 HW with absolute ease, is a great achievement.

 

You read it.

You just don’t have the brain power to refute it.

 

What about the 30 pound weight difference?

If Floyd had fought someone with a 30 pound weight difference, you’d be creaming yourself.

 

“NURSE!!!”

 

It's nowhere near a good enough win to make Roy's resume better than Floyd's. It wouldn't be a top 5 win for Floy. And Roy did test positive for steroids for Richard Hall, no TUE. We both know he wasn't clean at heavyweight.

 

20 to Canelo at age 36 without steroids sounds a lot more difficult to me.

 

I didn’t say anything about Roy’s resume being better than Floyd’s.

I’m talking about how the win has to be better than Floyd’s win over Cotto.

Of course that kind of win would have been a top 5 win for Floyd.

If Floyd had given up height, reach, and 30 pounds in weight to a world class fighter, YOU personally would rank it extremely highly.

Why pretend otherwise?

You don’t know that Roy was dirty for the Ruiz fight.

The Hall fight was 3 years earlier.

Unless you’re going to discuss Floyd’s IV, there’s no point discussing it.

 

Floyd had a TUE, same as Manny for the corticosteroids he used for the Floyd fight. Roy was proven to be juicing, no TUE.

 

That was a great win, especially for his age.

He wasn’t completely outsized though.

The Cotto win cannot be rated higher if you objectively analyse all of the relevant factors.