Better resume: Mayweather Jr or Roy Jones Jr

Don’t be dumb.

Floyd had an illegal IV.

He had an illegal amount in it.

He had it in secret without notifying anyone.

He already had a retroactive TUE clause put into the contract.

He couldn’t have been severely dehydrated.

The NSAC had no idea of the incident until 3 weeks after the fight.


Roy was not proven to have been juicing for the Ruiz fight.


Either discuss them both properly, or don’t bother at all.


If you’re going to spin me the line that Floyd was cleared, then so was Roy for the Ruiz fight.

 

No, he had a TUE. The point of a retroactive TUE is for an acute problem. So you get it informally cleared right before you do it, and formally after. You dont wait for days to get a TUE for dehydration. Even you should be able to figure that one out. Apples and oranges.

Now go consult a psychiatrist for your OCD.

 

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

An accute problem?

SMH.

He said he was severely dehydrated.

He couldn’t have been.

He only needed to lose 3-4 pounds, 30 days out.

He didn’t dehydrated himself for the weigh-in.

He wanted USADA to put a clause in the original contract, where if either was caught with anything, they could apply for a retroactive TUE after the fight. Go and read Thomas Hauser’s article. The fight contract is in there.

An IV of 750ml is banned by WADA as it’s a known masking agent.

The IV was illegal.

The amount was illegal.

The NSAC who hosted the fight weren’t notified and didn’t know what had happened until almost a month after the fight.

HELLO!!


You haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about.

 

Back on topic, Roy’s best wins were:

Hopkins
Toney
Griffin
Hill
Reggie
Tarver
Ruiz

 

I think Castro was a better win than Hill (who looked like he didn't want to be there), Reggie, Ruiz or Tarver

 

There's the argument Griffin was cold, not allowed to warm up, and Toney was unfit, on a drop after making weight.

 

Jones listed Jorge Castro as his toughest opponent in Boxing Monthly before his fight with Derek Harmon.

 

I love Toney to death - one of my all-time favourite fighters. But the weight excuse for his loss to Jones just doesn't cut it.

I'm not sure how often (if ever) it's been claimed on here, but I'm sure a few of you at various times elsewhere will have seen the story doing the rounds that Arum signed Toney to fight Jones without Toney's knowledge, and that Toney had already decided to vacate his title and move up in weight, but Arum sprung this on him and then he had to change his plans etc. etc. It's a load of hogwash. Toney fought Charles Williams 16 weeks before he fought Jones, and the deal to fight Jones on November 18 had already been signed and agreed for all intents and purposes (see Toney's post-fight interview against Williams).

So 16 weeks before facing Jones, he looked strong, comfortable and powerful at 168, and he knew he had Jones coming up straight afterwards, so no excuses re: being caught unawares. Are we supposed to believe that, of all the times he could pick, Toney picked the build up to the biggest and most significant (and lucrative) fight to become particularly unprofessional and lazy in the gym? Now I'm not denying that Toney ballooned up between the Williams and Jones fights - but that was him. There was nothing unusual or new about it. It wasn't unique to the Jones fight at all. I suspect Toney was no more weight-drained for Jones than he'd been for plenty of other fights which he'd won and performed well in. The difference was, this time he was in there with someone better than and a terrible styles matchup for him, so couldn't get away with it like he could at other times.

And anyway, more to the point - if Toney was stupid enough to let himself balloon up to over 200 lb and not start doing anything about it until six weeks before the fight, that's not Jones' problem. I just find it fanciful that Toney would have somehow taken Jones less seriously than the likes of Barkley, Thornton or Williams, and been less motivated for Jones than those guys, which is what some people expect us to believe.

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

I suppose you're trying to say that when you match up the top 25 wins of Roy and Floyd, side by side, Roy is 2-23 instead of 1-24.

 

I think Toney was draining across the board for his 160 and 168 fights. I think what was less understood was just how bad he was against movers and crafty boxers. It would be like if there were a boxer who took apart GGG and went on to lose wide to Andrade....You wouldn't expect that.

 

B-Hop hadn’t beaten anyone prior to facing Jones. He was literally fighting guys like Gilbert baptist leading up to that match. He was still years away from winning a world title. With a limited amateur career and a late start in the game, Hopkins had a lot of catching up to do... When Mayweather fought Cotto, Miguel was a former Olympian and a two-division world champion BEFORE facing Mayweather. He then moved up and won the middle weight crown AFTER fighting Mayweather... given the timing and the status of the two fighters in question at the time, Floyd’s win over Cotto eclipsed Jones’ win over Hopkins by a long shot

 

Castro was a maniac.

Do you know when he fought Roy that he’d just fought a few weeks earlier?

 

It’s always baffled me. Because he got himself in shape for McCallum and Nunn, due to the respect that he had for them. And he was also very motivated to fight Barkley who he respected.

It’s a fighters job to know about any potential opponent.

He had to have seen Roy fight Castro, Tate and Malinga etc.

You would have assumed that he’d have trained for Roy as hard as he did for anyone.

You would have assumed that he’d have kept his weight down, knowing that his camp was just around the corner.

In my opinion, he either underestimated Roy by thinking he was overrated, or he gave himself a ready made excuse for if he lost.

It just doesn’t make sense.

There’s also the post-fight interview that nobody talks about.

As we all know, Toney has a huge ego and a big personality. A big mouth even. In the post-fight interview, he never asked for a rematch. Yes, he was hurting and embarrassed. But you would have assumed he’d have asked for a rematch. I was very surprised that he didn’t.

 

Your posts are just painful.