Better Resume: OSCAR DE LA HOYA or ROY JONES Jr?

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  1. Williams27

    Williams27 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I say Roy because he has beaten 85% of the big names on his resume Oscar has beaten about 60% of them.

    Oscar has beaten -

    Sweet Pea
    Quartey
    Chavez
    Carr
    Vargas
    Camacho
    Gatti

    but he lost to -

    Mosley
    Trinidad
    Hopkins
    Mayweather

    Jones has beaten -

    Hopkins
    Toney
    Woods
    Gonzalez
    Hill
    Ruiz
    Tarver
    Pazienza
    Trinidad
    McCullum

    Roy has lost to -

    Johnson
    Tarver
    Calzaghe

    - You gotta take into account that Jones has never been beaten in his prime but Oscar was. All of Jones' losses are after he bulked up to HW and after he turned 34 years old. Oscar started losing long before Roy and has lost more fights. I give Roy the edge for this reason and that is why Guys like Roy, Trinidad, Mayweather, Hopkins, ext. are just slightly better then Oscar when you look at their resumes. When and how they lost fights is very important.
     
  2. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    I thought we were just talking resumes not wins ..
     
  3. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Also you have to consider that Roy Jones NEVER beat a unified, linear, or undisputed Champion in his whole career. Oscar did.
     
  4. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    It's a "dumb question" that has split ESB right down the middle. I don't think losing to Hopkins and Tito enhances Oscar's resume either. When we start counting loses, then the guy who has fought the greatest opponents, but never won a fight, has the best resume in the world. It doesn't and shouldn't work like that.
     
  5. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    The problem is, RJJ has the better wins in Toney and Hopkins and argubley Hill. But, after that, RJJ's resume takes something of a nose dive. Oscar doesn't have the quality of a win over a fighter as good as a prime James Toney, but for every "great win" on RJJ's resume, Oscar has 4 or 5 "good wins". Oscar has the depth of quality, RJJ has the better wins at the top end, take your pick.
     
  6. sprika2

    sprika2 Active Member Full Member

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    It comes down to results.
    RJJ probably has the better results on his fights, But you can't deny that Oscar has fought the who's who of boxing. If your looking at wins then maybe RJJ, But Oscar would be way ahead in terms of being a warrior by fighting almost all the big names that he can face. Oscar might have fought Ali or SRR if they're still fighting today.
     
  7. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    In other words, Oscar had the bigger balls, Roy had the better skills. :yep
     
  8. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    :yep
     
  9. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    Roy Jones JR. hands down. DLH is considered an 'ATG' because of the fighters he lost to.
     
  10. SHADOW BOX

    SHADOW BOX SHADOW BOX Full Member

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    I disagree. I think it can be better said as "Its not if you lose, its how you lose, and to who."
     
  11. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    All the fighters included on the resume posted, Oscar beat. Even with the loses, Oscar has beaten way more good fighters than RJJ, but not quite as many great fighters. Take your choice.
     
  12. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    So far, the majority of people on ESB think that Oscar De La Hoya has a better resume than Roy Jones Jr. ....



    DE LA HOYA:

    Vargas
    Quartey
    Chavez x 2
    Whitaker
    Gatti
    Camacho
    Hernandez
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    Sturm
    Gonzalez
    Paez
    Ruelas
    Leija
    Molina
    Carr
    Castillejo



    JONES JR.

    Toney
    Ruiz
    Hill
    Hopkins
    Griffin
    Woods
    McCullum
    -----------------
    Tarver
    Pazienza
     
  13. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's how I see it too
     
  14. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Anyone with Hoya's competition would have just as much losses. Most fighters avoided fighters that were bad stylistic match ups. Oscar put those fights on the big stage cuz he believed he could do it. He sometimes couldn't. 6 times. But don't you wish other more protected fighters put it on the line like that? There wouldn't be so many what if fantasy question match ups on ESB, that's for sure.
     
  15. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't. RJJ had the oppurtunity to move up or down from Lt. HW to make some good fights happen during his prime, but he didn't. He chose the easy path.