Better Resume: OSCAR DE LA HOYA or ROY JONES Jr?

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  1. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    chavez was still past it when he fought oscar - and quartey was a hair's breath away from finishing oscar in that fight (but that's boxing and one of those classic 'what-ifs'), but the trinidad wasn't a robbery - it was a case of oscar losing the fight rather than tito winning it.

    fight goes for 12 rounds and oscar's reputation for blowing late in fights grew roots in this fight.

    i wouldn't count either quartey or chavez as one of his 3 biggest, and i'd probably rank the vargas fight at the time he fought him as the highlight of oscar's career to that point and a bigger win than quartey.
     
  2. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I'm not talking about the state of the opposition, what I'm saying is, in terms of hype, coverage, sporting signifigance, media interest - Chavez was Oscar's "biggest" fight. Also, De La Hoya was a hairs breath away from finishing Quartey in the 12th when he absolutely BATTERED him. With regards to that particular fight, I think a lot of people have forgot how HUGE an event that was at the time, same with the fight against Trinidad. What you say is subjective, "it was a case of Oscar losing it, rather than Tito winning", well, you're right of course, but its difficult to score that fight in any sensible way and have Tito winning, Oscar at the very least deserved a draw. In terms of boxing achivement, yeah, I think I would agree that Vargas was the single most significant, although I still say that when all things are considerd, Oscar's "biggest" fights were JCC>Tito>Quartey>FMJ>Vargas
     
  3. ROC

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    Did u take a look at the poll,all who voted seem to think Oscar has the better resume.:patsch
     
  4. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    And the prize for single dumbest post of the days goes to ROC. :rofl

    Yeah, "all who voted think Oscar has the better resume". - well apart from the 59 that voted Jones has the better resume, but who cares about them right...
     
  5. BADINTENTIONS2

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    unfortunately oscar became his own worst enemy.

    both mosley and tito rejected rematches becasue they didn't want to take a paycheck less than a guy they already had a win against - so instead of making those fights happen, which would have been no skin off oscar's nose, he took the hopkins fight at middleweight...

    the "hype, coverage, sporting significance, media interest" is throwing a grey area on it though.

    the post is about who has the better resume - but by the criteria above floyd steals the top spot hands as a whole.

    what we all say is subjective that's why we press our case so hard.

    floyd, tito, chavez for the criteria you're using (in no specific order).
     
  6. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    So what we have both learned is that Oscar had a LOT of big fights :yep

    Definetly his own worst enemy, in some ways, always wanted the biggest challenge, the best fighters etc. Even when he was past his best he was fighting middleweight and P4P kings.
     
  7. ROC

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    Two separate weight classes but I would go with Oscar, (Roy hardly fought any notable fighters,maybe cause there weren't any in his division) IMO no way in hell he lost to Tito (or even drew as same people seem to think he at least deserved) and beat a roided up Mosely the 2nd time around. But since it is Oscar, he will always be bashed by his detractors and try to discredit his accomplishments.
     
  8. BADINTENTIONS2

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    because he wanted to cash in and, as the cashcow of our time, he had the luxury to do that whenever he wanted to. it didn't make him deserving all the time, but his marketability reflected his pulling power.

    oscar clearly became the promoter more and more.

    watch his early fights when he was hungry and watch how much more aggressive he was and how many 4-5 punch combos he threw.

    you can compare that to 5-6 years ago even.

    oscar's a HOF fighter, clearly, but i hope you're implying he was 'great'.
     
  9. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I think its clear to everyone that in his prime Oscar De La Hoya was a great fighter.
     
  10. El Cepillo

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    I don't agree with that entirely, but there were a few too many 'wilderness years' in RJJ's career where he just drifted along, somewhat aimlessly. Although the win over Toney and the win over Ruiz bookend his career nicely enough.
     
  11. El Cepillo

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  12. TheGreat

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    RJJ and it isn't even close unlike ODLH he won his big fights, His top 3 wins beat Hoya's hands down as he has wins over Hopkins, Toney, and Hill while DLH has robbery over past prime whitaker, wins over a shot Chavez, and a victory over Vargas(Post Tito). Also RJJ was able to beat Tito and Hopkins while Oscar lost to a faded Bhops, and lost fairly to Tito.
     
  13. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Oscar won ten world titles, he didn't do that by "losing all his big fights".

    People seem to have very short memories. :-(

    RJJ's top 3 wins are better, but beyond that his resume lacks the depth of Oscar's, which I think is clearly better. And so do the majority of people on ESB, it would seem.
     
  14. 1lehudson

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    Oscar may have fought the best fighters of any fighter in the past 30 years...

    Oscar has a great resume and he has fought the best fighters of the era before him Chavez, Whitaker, the best fighters of his Era Mayweather, Tito, Hopkins, Mosley, and the best fighter in the ERA after him Pac...Past, present furture...That guy fought them all..........Only Problem he didnt win many:yep
     
  15. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I believe he did just that.