Better resume: Peter Maher vs Earnie Shavers

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  1. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    First time, Maher quit with exhaustion, hadn't trained except by drinking!
     
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  2. Man_Machine

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    Well - Whatever the opinions on record, this Maher chap does look to have been a bit of a character...
     
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  3. Mendoza

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    70sFan: Maher was past his prime when he fought McCoy.

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    He won their most relevant fight, when both were in their primes.
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    The first fight definitely was closer than you may think. Supposedly, Fitzsimmons corner saved him from KO, they cheated with bell and ended the round quicker. I don't know if that was true or not. I'm sure that Maher gave Fitzsimmons tougher fight than most.
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    He drew the series with Ruhlin.
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    Maher was known for the most dangerous puncher of his era. Based on reports he punched harder than Fitzsimmons and I don't see any reason to doubt that he was at least as hard as Jeffries.

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    Again, don't use fights when Maher was an old and addicted man.
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  4. Mendoza

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    Thanks. This is fascinating. If he had that type of power as the testimonials say, he must have had poor skills because he often lost to the contender types, even in the 1880's.

    Picture David Tua power ( But with Maher it was in the right hand ), with below-average skills like Tua had, but with the chin of say Denver Ed Martin. I think Maher's rock, paper, scissors came out a bit too low vs. contender types, so I don't think he hit as hard as Fitz.

    To use a baseball terminology, he was Dave Kingman. A player with 442 career home runs, who was to eeay to strike out ( Career batting average of .226 ) but when he hit the ball, it went flying!
     
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  5. 70sFan865

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    Not everyone has the same type of career. Maher was out of prime because of his problems with alcohol, not because he was too old. Addicted people are getting old much faster.
    Goddard KO was an illegal punch, it should have been a DQ win for Maher.
    I suggest you to read the report again then, because you missed what happened at the beginning of this fight.
    Ruhlin knocked him out when he was losing more often than not. They both were prime in 1899 and they fought to a 20 rounds draw. This (along with Sharkey draw) shows that Maher could compete with the next generation and we all know that you are high on Jeffries opponents.
    He still stopped O'Donnell, Kolndike, Jeffords and Butler. He still could punch, but he was much easier to stop.
    He didn't really fought better competition in the 1900s. The best fighters he faced fought against him in 1890s - Fitzsimmons, Jackson, Goddard, Choynski, Slavin, Sharkey, Ruhlin.
    He lost 5 times in 11 years, that's not often. All against the best of the best, he didn't lose against regular contenders in his prime. He started to lose a lot after 1899, but we all know why.
     
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  6. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Been a while since I read the reports. DIdn't Fitz break his hand in the first, and basically fight the rest with the jab?
     
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  7. 70sFan865

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    From what I remember, he injured his hand (not sure if broke) and he indeed focused on jabbing and using more movement.
     
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  8. Bukkake

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    I didn't expect that either!

    Of course we know about his many ko victories - but I would have thought, that most experts around his time would pick Fitz as the heaviest hitter (at leasy P4P) they had ever seen.

    No doubt he packed a big punch - but bigger than, say, Bob Foster? No way of telling for sure, but I would be surprised if that was indeed the case. And we all know, that Foster's power didn't have the same impact on bigger opponents, when he stepped up from LH. He certainly didn't rival Shavers in the punching department - and I have a hard time believing that Maher did!
     
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  9. 70sFan865

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    Maher fought and stopped fighters above 190 lbs though.
     
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  10. Bukkake

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    And Foster fought and stopped several 200+ lbs fighters - but against top class heavyweights, his punches had little effect.
     
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  11. 70sFan865

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    From what I know, Foster never stopped someone like Goddard, Slavin or O'Donnell. You compare a few scrubs that Foster beat to top tier HWs of Maher's era.
     
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  12. JohnThomas1

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    Which of those guys were 200+ fighters? Heck, which ones were 190+ ?
     
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  13. 70sFan865

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    Goddard was listed at 190 lbs, but he weighed more at that point of his career. It's very plasuable to believe that he was over 200 lbs.
    We don't have any listed weight for Slavin, but he also fought above 190 lbs.
    O'Donnell varied his weight throughout his career, but he was likely over 190 lbs in his last fights with Maher.
    Gus Ruhlin was over 190 lbs, he reached over 200 lbs a few times in his career.
    Klondike weighed probably over 210 lbs.
    Lesser fighters like Jeffords or Russell weighed around 210 lbs.
     
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  14. Bukkake

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    Do you think the top tier HWs Maher stopped in the 1890s, would have been top tier HWs in Shavers' era?
     
    Bukkake, Jul 28, 2020
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  15. mattdonnellon

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    dunkhorst, Kennedy, Klondike, Morrisey, Jeffords, O'Donnell, Russell, Big Six and a few more.
     
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