Better Resume: Tyson Fury or Ken Norton?

Everybody was saying Wlad was cooked after the Jennings fight.

 

Yet everybody picked him vs Fury.

 

Wlad was not in the greatest mental space for that one. This is known.

 

If he didnt make an excuse you shouldnt either.

 

Unlike Fury ducking the rematch of course

 

Only thing I’ll add is fighters are more likely to take Ls when they’re more active and fighting quality fighters. Prospects today are treated far different then prospects of the past. Having zero losses just meant you were untested. That saying holds true of the last twenty years…Fury has the sight edge over Norton just for his dominance imo over the limited fighters he did meet. Would like to see him fight Usyk and AJ but I kind of feel it telling he never met Povetkin years ago. Think Povetkin would have beat him.

 

Now I understand.
Bitter Klitschko fan eh?

 

Merely pointing out the facts.

Fury managed to fight Wilder three times even though Wilder sucks, but going through with a contractually agreed rematch with Klitschko was a bridge too far

 

“Facts” are relative to the agenda.

 

When would you say he should have fought Povetkin? He beat Wlad, didn't fight for years and has been tied up with Wilder for ages. He had no title when he came back and indeed didn't have one until 2020 when he beat Wilder officially. Povetkin got popped by Joshua in 2018 way before Fury had a title again and drew with Hunter at the end of 2019.

I'm not an expert on the era but i'm not seeing when and why he should have fought Povetkin to the point of being accused of avoiding him? I could be wrong. If he beat Whyte in the rematch he would have been the mandatory.

 

This should be the board's motto.

 

Fury would have easily beat that Povetkin he was washed. But he never met him before meeting Wlad…it’s not a surprise they all avoid each other like the plague. How we never got AJ v Fury, Povetkin v Fury, Povetkin v Wilder, AJ v Wilder is beyond me. It’s a disgrace actually how none of these fights and more were just not made. Terrible for boxing. How can you realistically call someone the best if they didn’t even beat or meet the best of their era? Just hand picked opponents throughout. That’s all of them not just Fury. I give AJ credit he fights everyone he can and doesn’t shy from opponents usually avoided. He’s taken Ls for it but he really fights the best. He beat Whyte long ago, Povetkin, Wlad, Ruiz, And others. His resume looks deeper then Fury’s but Fury looks better on film. But who’s to say he wouldn’t take Ls as well if against the right person? Not saying he delibaretly avoided Povetkin but he didn’t take the harder fight maybe when he should have years ago. They all don’t

 

Ali loses to Norton aren't something to be discredit so much. Ali was past his prime and stationary, no that's a stupid argument. 70s Ali is just as good as his prime with better ring iq coupled with a better chin and filled with tricks. Norton in the 2nd fight did not follow his plan and traded with Ali more, and even that most people see Norton won the fight (52% according to Eye On The Ring).

Not to mention he fought better fighters, he became one of the THREE fighters to knock Henry Clark out and beaten the likes of Zanon (Good boxer), Bobick (Undefeated), Garcia and Middleton. He even arguably had the best win in the 1970s HW, which is a win over a peak Jimmy Young (coming off a Foreman win) when he was on the downfall.

Past his prime he outpointed Tex Cobb and knocked out Randy Stephens in terrific bouts. Norton was a technician, with savvy skills, good knockout power and a awkward style.\

He's greater than Fury imo

 

Ali was excellent in his 70s career correct, but in the first Norton fight, he looked absolutely terrible, and atrocious. He came in very overweight and seemed like he hadn't trained a day for the bout.

By far one of his worst performances in the 70s. Norton still couldn't beat him decisively and had to settle for a very close SD (If Ali won one more round it would've been a majority draw), that his own trainer (Futch) and sparring partner (Frazier) scored a draw, and Norton himself conceded could've gone either way.

It also didn't exactly help matters, that Futch himself said Norton would never be able to beat the Ali of even 2-3 years prior.

"Would Norton beat the Ali of say three years ago?"

"definitely not Futch said"

Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/72689280/albuquerque-journal/

I don't know. I don't rank this win nearly as high as many others do.

I think Foreman and Frazier (at least FOTC version) would've beaten this Ali, and wouldn't have needed an SD to do it. As a matter of fact, I'd put money on them stopping him ESPECIALLY if Ali was suffering from a broken jaw.