Better self defense Judo or BJJ?

Huh? Straight into the dominant position. Fedor is 240lbs and couldn't budge him an inch. That was not 'pulling guard'.

 

Fedor couldn't finish the take down and landed in guard on bottom. Call it whatever you want in the magical land of Sambo but in BJJ thats called pulling guard.

 

No, pulling guard is intentional. Hence the "action" word "pulling" its not "falling in guard". What happened in Fedor was exactly what previous posters described. HMC just fell on top of Fedor after an unsuccessful takedown attempt by Fedor. After that Fedor "pulled guard" i.e. "got in full guard."
In other words one has to have an intention to "pull guard" Fedor did not have that intention because he wanted to end on top and GNP Choi.

 

Fedor absolutely did not pull guard, he got taken down and ended up with HMC in his guard.

 

Ah, that didn't look anything like pulling guard to me.

On another topic, did Fedor look gassed pretty early in that fight? I hope he gets a fight with Couture, but I hope he comes in better shape.

 

Huh? How'd you go figure that?

 

It wasn't his plan going into the fight, but it was his plan once Fedor tried to take him down.

Choi didn't want to be on bottom, so he basically fell on Fedor.

And its not like he was highly accomplished at K1 because of his amazing skill, the guy has only been kickboxing for a few years, he probably figured he could do the same grappling with his freak size as he did striking.

 

I never said I didn't, all I said was that Fedor didn't pull guard and you seemed to take offense to that; you make it sound like Fedor took him down, he didn't. Choi "went down pretty easy" because although it wasn't his original gameplan, he chose to.

 

I can't believe that you guys are arguing about that. HMC didn't want this fight to go to the ground, but I can bet that Fedor didn't want to be underneathe him either. So... in fact it wasn't a tactic by Fedor to go directly to his back, and it wasn't a gameplan by HMC to go to the ground. However, when they locked up... HMC did in fact put Fedor on his back against his will. Most fights end up with a fighter having to adjust do something outside of his gameplan. From there, HMC is an easy armbar victim because his size creates so much space for Fedor to swivel his hips. However, to say that it was a brilliant idea for Fedor to put HMC on top of him... which he didn't even do on purpose... would be a bit silly. We must remember that in HMC's other MMA fight, he did in fact hammer his opponent while his opponent was on the ground as well. Fedor did get smothered a bit, and took a little bit of a beating on the ground as well. Definitely a place that Fedor didn't want to be, and he actually even tried pretty hard to fight off going to his back the second time. He even said himself after the match that he didn't plan on going to his back, but that when he attempted his takedowns, he couldn't move him. Also... to be honest... the second time that HMC took him down, it seemed like he really wanted to put Fedor on his back. Fedor caught him with a nice left hook, and even looked much more comfortable on his feet than HMC.

 

I have never been to a BJJ school that did not offer wrestling take downs and ground control from both of those styles.

Personally, I look at it as MMA being the closest to a real street fight, even though it's controlled and has rules, it still allows methods to be tested to see if they are effective in a real street fight situation....a close as you can get with out a real street fight.

So, in my opinion BJJ because it has evolved to where the average school should have wrestling take downs, postioning and ground control.

My MMA school actually phased out the Judo class although the some techniques are still tought in the MMA and sub grappling classes.

 

also, judo techniques tend to be centered around yours and your opponents gi granted some of the throws and trips can be utilized without your gi, but you would see very similar throws and trips used in wrestling as well