Better self defense Judo or BJJ?

A lot of moves can be done without the gee. It just incorportates mixing and matching different grips.. You can do a lot with a handful of moves.. Its hard to teach the type of balance one has on their feet you learn in Judo, in any other form of martial art.

But, I do agree about the problem of so much of Judo being based around the gee. Parisyan has a bunch of great non gee demo's on video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdTVTObWeGs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7lcKUS9a44&feature=related

An interesting standing Kimura takedown and variations. Bet you wont learn this **** from your BJJ teacher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r--Y9sMVhbY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFAFKQThj9U&feature=related

You should see how effective the Uchi Mata is against the most common takedown.

 

ur right but you only really see guys with world class judo doing those kinds of thorows and stuff, i mean even hidehiko yoshida has trouble doing his throws, ive seen guys with only 6 months of jiu jitsu under their belt totally manhandle guys in a street fight, even my jiu jitsu coaches who are also judo brown belts say they never used their judo in a street fight, its more of a cross training for competition with the gi and wrestling would be the one to do for no gi (excepitions to the rule i know..parysian is a prime example of an exception)...

 

Maybe.. I think a move like the Uchi Mata, and a standing Kimura hip throw, or even a type of drag down would be effective for people who don't have fast movements. They are both very easy.. I haven't done jack in Judo since I was a kid.. Yonkyu as a kid was pretty darn good. I still think those two moves are easy.. A move like a seoi nagi might take a lot of confidence.. But a takedown version of Ouchi gari should be something that should be incorporated by wrestlers.. Its a very strong variation of a single leg basically, and its really impossible to counter once you have the body lock.

 

I've seem KP pull off some nice throws. Things you don't really see in mma. I think is was him and Snachez(?) not sure but it was a really good fight if you are into those styles.
I am sure most here have seen it.

 

All I'm saying is that some moves aren't very hard to translate from gee to non gee. Some of the moves, especially the ones I linked, aren't all that complicated.

You say that some of the guys you messed with are Judoka's? I'll just say they arent thinking correctly if they arent tossing half the wrestlers around with an Uchi Mata every time they try to go for a trip. Other moves like a kimura drag down could easily transition to an armbar instead of a Kimura. The drag down is the one where you perform a half assed toss and the opponent basically gets tripped, instead of slammed.

Ouchi gari is one of those moves that someone with a wrestling background could use with sickness.. Wrestlers, with all their strength and explosiveness should be using this far more often than a the trip, which can be countered with the Uchi Mata.

 

Huh, I never said anything about that. I was saying that KP pulls off
Judo moves in MMA and you rarely see that. It was a compliment to him.

What? when did I say that? They did have a Judo instructor at my MMA school but it was phased out. That is all I said.

I believe that. I never said otherwise.

 

Dunno about Judo but there are PLENTY techniques that are not tought in BJJ at least not at low to intermediate levels.

 

Alright, so it's solved. Go train in wrestling, and Muay Thai. That will have you covered.

 

Nah, its just disappointing to hear that Judo is phased out of any type of mma camp. I understand why too. It has to do with the tradition of using the gee, and so many judoka's rely on the gee, or specialize in moves that almost require a gee for them to work.. Most Judoka's really specialize in a few moves and focus on competition judo, rather than practical judo for self defense..

I really think Judo as self defense, and possibly non gee is something many sensei's may frown upon do to tradition.. When really the discipline is extremely effective and versatile considering the variations..

Really is one of the ultimate, in the clinch disciplines you could learn.. Its almost heart breaking for me to hear it gets phased out, because it isn't effective. Sorry for comming off as an ass.

 

Its also because a lot of the wrestlers rely on shooting for a single or double leg against a guy who can sprawl against that all day. A good sambo fighter will close the gap and gain control in the clinch, take him down from there.

 

That isn't true. I wrestled my entire life, and I have always trained just as much on takedowns from a clinch, than takedowns while shooting for legs. To be honest... I always prefered locking up, and taking an opponent down, over shooting in. Although, I did do both frequently. Mastering the craft of shooting in only elevates your chances of success. If a person is too sturdy, and strong in the clinch, you can get back and take a shot. If the person has a good sprawl, you move in for the clinch. If you can't get a double leg, get an angle and take a single leg. If you can't do it that way, grab the head and go for an ankle pick, that doesn't work, lock up and throw by, ect... there are so many different points of attack when properly trained in wrestling, that unless the other person is equally trained and talented... he isn't going to stop you.

 

Im gona go ahead and say that heaveweight don't exactly shoot that often. Anything 215+ going for pure shot is suicide. You can work for a shot from a clinch but thats about the extent of it.

 

Not really true either. A good shot, is a good shot. To be honest, a heavyweight with a good shot is often effective than a lightweight. Bigger guys are used to locking up, and pummeling for position. A person with good movement, and a great shot is extremely hard for those big guys to defend. Look at Mark Coleman when he first came in... used to shoot in all of the time. I guess a prime example would be Tommy Rowlands. He was a lighter weight wrestler for most of his life, before blowing up his Junior and Senior years of High school, and wrestled Heavyweight for Ohio State (2x NCAA Champ). He grew big as hell, but he was used to wrestling in the style of the lighter wrestlers. Those big guys, who were normally much heavier than him, simply couldn't handle it.

 

It's all good man. I understand where you are coming from in a way.