Better self defense Judo or BJJ?

Nah, what I said holds for 90% of the HWs. Shooting HWs are more of an exception to the rule than other way around.

 

Well... I agree that you don't see it as much. I just don't agree that it is "suicide". Look at Jake O'brien vs Herring. A heavyweight with a good shot, is extremely effective. However, I agree that there are not many heavyweights, at least in MMA... who have perfected the shot.

 

Well, I said it figuratively speaking. I was one of few Heavies who did go for shots and rode legs. And I'll tell you that I've gotten take downs that weren't from clinch only from going for sweeping the outside legs from wrist control. The few times that I went for straight single shot or double leg, I just got crushed >.<. I gota admit tho I was 185 wrestling 215s for 2 years until I put on some weight.

 

Self defense in my understanding is to not start nor provoke a fight. And if somebody still insists, one's left with no choice but to defend himself. Defending would probably just mean restraining the other guy. If such is the case, bjj would be a better discipline to have. A few lessons in muay thai and boxing would also help just so to neutralize the aggressor.

Never start a fight though... otherwise it wont be self defense anymore..

 

I never start fights, but I disagree about just restraining someone. At some point, you have to stand up for yourself. Especially since you can't always just restrain yourself until someone else comes to help. If someone is trying attacks you at night, with nobody around, trying to take what you have... then you are going to have to be able to put that person down, and keep them there.

I am a firm believer in not starting trouble. I also have a very high tolerance for what I will take before I have had enough. I am the easiest person to get along with that you will ever meet. I will repeat what my friend from Pittsburgh said to me one time, because I think that it fits perfectly. His question to me was "Do you think that it is unfair for you to fight a normal person in a club or whatever?" My response was "Yeah, I think that it's fair. I have no idea what that person has, for all I know he may be well trained himself, or he may be carrying a weapon... besides it isn't as if I ever start fights. I don't even like street fights, I like fighting for sport." Then he said, I will never forget... "Man, with all of the training and fighting ability that you have... I would be ****in people up all the time. I admire how you don't feel the need to act tough or flex on people just because you can. You always have a smile on your face, and are easy as hell to get along with. If someone pushes past all of that, and gets you to the point where you have to fight... then they earned that ass whoopin'."

It is pretty much what I live by, and I think that he was able to sum it up very well. When I make it so easy to get along with me, and let a person get away with plenty before I will start taking serious offense.... basically won't hit a person unless they come at me, my family, or my friends with the intent of hurting one of us. So, if they push that hard, if they push the issue that much and get to that point... then I am not turning back. I honestly will flip a switch, and people are normally amazed at how I change at that moment.

I am getting carried away... but I think that the point I am giving here is that it isn't always a matter of just restraining someone. Although, I must say that there have been plenty of fights my friends were involved in where I would grab and restrain. I just wouldn't do it if someone attacked me. If they are trying to hurt me, I am going to hurt them.

 

I'm really trying to stay away heightening the tension because I honestly think I might hurt someone for life. When the switch turns on, adrenaline takes over and any rational thought is out the window. I will use everything I know.

 

Most martial arts stress discipline. It is something that can be learned.

Aggression is often triggered by a lack of confidence or fear. Confidence in your ability to defend yourself from an attacker is a great thing to have, and can help you in avoiding confrontation. If you know that even if the guy gets the first swing at you and knocks you down you will still probably win in a no weapon one on one fight, it is easier to remain cool.

Also, with Ju jitsu especially, choking someone out is a very very peaceful and non-brutal way to end a confrontation. Hitting someone in the head so many times and so hard that they are no longer able to fight back is hard. One punch KOs rarely happen in actual fights, and the MERCY that Jujitsu allows you to use is my draw to it. On the same hand, in a absolutely terrible situation you can go to the other extreme. If you are in a warzone (not that hand to hand combat is the norm), it's easier to kill someone with a RNC than punches.

Fighter A is a boxer and his friend gets drunk and wants to fight him. The only way fighter A knows how to stop his friend is to strike him until he changes his mind or gets KOd.

Fighter B is a judokan or a BJJ fighter and his friend gets drunk and wants to fight him. Fighter B works a clinch and controls and dominates his friend until his friend either calms down or (if it MUST be done) gets put to sleep.

That was sort of a rant...

 

I'm very balanced person. It's hard to get my adrenaline rushing because of the things you mentioned. Obviously when the tensiones are confrontational Im more alert but its not the trigger im talking about. I'm talking about where you cross the line by hitting me or my close one. Obviously its easier for someone with knowledge of bjj techniques to pacify the aggressor but like you mentioned its also very deadly. What I'm talking about is if your adrenaline gets way high you cannot control yourself. It's rage.
I've felt that once in my life towards my best friend. I was scared of that feeling after that. Long story short he said something that hurt me on a profound level(which is the worst way a friend can hurt you). I literarly could not see straight because I wanted to hit him so bad. I rushed out of his house and was wabbly as if I was drunk. I can't even express all the feelings cause I can't remember all it. I could probably **** adrenalin at the time.
I don't care how disciplined you are there is a breaking point for everyone. It's human in nature.

 

much respect to opinions given by everyone. I'd be a hypocrite if id say i have never stood up against an aggressor. especially in my younger childish days, i have given much as i have received so to speak. but as we grow older, we also become more reasonable and patient.

a little effort in extending maximum tolerance to intense situations would surely bring less damage to whom it should best be served..

 

it is not the fighting art, but the fighter.


but if i were to pick one it would be bjj. but i am saying this biasly.

 

as far as use of the gi, its grabbing the thick lappels, collars and sleeves that gis have, they move and control the movement of your opponent, a t shirt would stretch tremendously or if pulled hard enough just rip, grabbing clothes in a street fight more often then not wont do you any good cause while ur busy trying to make something happen by pulling that persons clothes all ur accomplishing is stretching it out pissing them off and occupying yourself with basically nothing while your opponet punches you...

 

Sounds like a Walker Texas Ranger/Hulk combination.

 

Yep, you don't always have someone wearing a virtually indestructable long sleeved shirt, which can be manipulated to whip someone around and slammed. But, you could possibly accomplish a similar move with a different grip.

Thing is, guys get so good, and technical with the gee that they lose confidence when there is no gee, and don't even attempt the move, or a variation of the move..

Judo and all its variations/contingent moves is extremely old, and built up/well thought out.. I believe a good 50% plus moves can be manages without a gee.. Which is still a ****ing lot.

Top it off. The type of balance a judoka attains from sparing all the time in the clinch is quite amazing, because it doesn't have to do with strength, but instead balance and leverage along with quickness. You watch Karo in some of his better fights, even against Diego.. He is against a way stronger guy and was able to basically toss him around before he was gassed.