Better self defense Judo or BJJ?

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  1. geppy

    geppy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Half the class is standing, using throws. The other half is pure ground work. Ground submissions is a part of Judo. No striking technique though, which is too bad.
     
  2. geppy

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    There was not one Judo or Sambo fighter in the UFC in the first 4 UCF events ( which Gracie dominated)! Why is that? There was Karate, Kung Fu, Tae Kwon Do, Savate, Jo Son Do (Lol), even Sumo, everything you could think of basically. Rorion Gracie owned the UFC, it was like great big infomercial for BJJ grappling. None of the fighters with the exception of Shamrock, and finally Severn by UFC 4 had ground expericance. I have alot of repsect for the Gracies and BJJ, and all that they done for the sport. But I think they intentionally didn't pick any Sambo or Judo fighters to compete in the early UFC's that Royce won.

    Judoka, Masahiko "Kimura" gave Helio Gracie the beating of his life. Kiruma repeatedly took Gracie down with throws, choked Gracie unconscious, and broke his arm! Helio wouldn't give up and his corner had to throw in the towel. The Gracies knew that a great Judo or Sambo fighter could defend themselves. The Gracies wanted to prove that BJJ was the best self defense by creating the UFC, but why not pick the Arts that they personally knew were the most dangerous to BJJ?

    Royce Gracie showed the world BJJ, and it really took off after the early UFC's. Everyone was like god damn, I need to learn that. Had Royce been a Muay Thai fighter or something, everyone would of wanted to learn that.
     
  3. Beebs

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    Remco Pardoel was a Judo guy, fought in UFC 2.
     
  4. geppy

    geppy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I admit, I don't know much about Padoel. Although Sherdog has his " Style" listed as "Jiu Jitsu / BJJ". Even if he does have vast Judo experiance, you take an average Judoka and put him against the very best BJJ grappler it is not an even fight.

    http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=33
     
  5. Sakura

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    :lol: Point in pure selfdefence is to be so accomplished as you could be and some martial arts give you more possibility to do that. Rumours say that Niiniketo was very same level, with Finnish MM-bronze medallist judoka in heavyweight division in judo rules and then he go own level without rules..
     
  6. geppy

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    Congratulations to Richard Crunkilton for his WEC victory tonight. He is local fighter to where I live now, and is a brown belt in Judo. Richard teaches MMA at the Armory in Daytona.

    Richard had some awesome take downs tonight. Richard was lifting his opponents leg over his shoulder and taking him down. No way he wasn't going down.
     
  7. Beebs

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    That was really one of the better examples of mma I have seen, the second round was quite good.
     
  8. El Matador

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    If your fighting someone out on a street, Judo probably would be more efficient, just considering Judo throws are damn good.

    But overall, Brazilian Jui-Jitsu is better, in my opinion.
     
  9. cola

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    both g damnit!!!
     
  10. dado

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    muay thai or boxing will be the best in the street,, just learn to finish every street fight with one punch. judo and bjj is also important but in muay thai you learn an awsome thai clinch and thats enough for the street, BJJ however will be the best help on the ground, although it wont do much in the street if you dont know your basic striking as every fight does start on its feet, i would like to see any bjj guy execute an armbar after being punched in the nose by some roid raging 130kg samoan with tree trunks for arms... in other words if you want to feel safe on the street you really need to learn more than just one martial art.
     
  11. geppy

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    What are the differences between Judo and Sambo???


    I asked my Sensei, and he said they are nearly the same thing. And I really havn't seen much of a difference. All I have read is that Judo doesn't allow leg leg locks but uses chokes. Sambo uses leg locks, but doesn't allow chokes.
     
  12. Polymath

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    There not nearly the same...Sambo incorporates some techniques from Judo, but is a much broader art. There are also a few types of Sambo. Combat Sambo is basically MMA with headguards.
     
  13. codeman99998

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    :lol:
     
  14. geppy

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    Care to elaborate any? Just saying Sambo is a much broader art doesn't help out much. I have been reading on the subject, the biggest differance I see is that chokes are not allowed in Sambo, but allowed in Judo. Leg locks are not allowed in Judo, but used in Sambo.
     
  15. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What exactly do you want to know?

    Sambo isnt just like Judo but with leglocks. There is a mode of sport Sambo that looks a bit like Judo if thats what you mean? The type of Sambo that is famously practiced by the Emelianenkos, Arlvoski et al is Combat Sambo; it includles strikes, wrestling and submissions, its really not comparable with Judo