Better top 5 wins : Lewis vs Holmes

Top post. Wlad was immensely less durable than Vitali but Wlad as you say was miles more dangerous offense wise. Blend the two of them and you have one formidable fighting machine..........but it just don't happen like that. Vitali comparatively was extremely durable and somewhat of a plodder and while Wlad wasn't quite a glass cannon he had to introduce ridiculous amounts of negativity into his game to dominate the field long term.

 

Vitali didn’t plod. He was in constant motion.

 

Constant plodding motion

 

More leeway on a meaningless request that matters only to you. Your posts read like Lewis’ prime was when he was 25 or so. He was at his height around 36, but a win at 38 against a complete hack like Vitali is massive? LMAO should replace LOL here. Vitali was a barely competent fighter, what is massive about beating him? He never even became division champion, as talentless as his time was. Lewis didn’t even win the fight in especially convincing fashion.

If it’s a massive win please explain to me all the great things Vitali did both as a great fighter & all the things he did in his illustrious career. He was a plodding robot who beat nobody before Lewis, beat nobody after him.

“Massive.” LOL.

 

I agree that Vitali had chin & endurance, & maybe heart (the latter two being skills, not talent) but in all other areas Wlad was a lot better - & Wlad wasn’t great, either. Vitali is not a massive win because he isn’t a very good fighter. It’s straight forward stuff.

 

That's why comparatively which was both in italic and underlined.

Comparatively to Wlad's explosiveness he was indeed a plodder. Wlad's punches had snap and here's that word again......"explosiveness" while Vitali's were more pushed. He was a bit of an arm puncher even if an effective one.

At least we are in agreeance on the top 5 wins.

 

Taken as a whole, Wlad did better vs Byrd (and would always do better against speedy, skilled boxers who weren't big punchers), whilst Vitali did better against Sanders and Peter.

Wlad has the big advantage in terms of strength in depth of resume and as such should rank clearly the higher of the two, but, again, their results against common opposition don't suggest Wlad was on a completely different level.

Whilst I don't consider Vitali an ATG, I do think beating the ring rated #2 HW, age 37, in his 1st fight back following a 4 year retirement, by complete and utter domination, is an indication that he was indeed a very effective (if you object to the word "good") boxer.

 

Perhaps you don’t understand that the word “plod” is in reference to footwork. You’re talking about punches. Vitali rarely even set his feet for more than a second at a time.

 

So you still got nothing, and you still won't shut up? Jesus.

The youth of today...

You're asking me what Vitaly did after Lewis? About a half dozen wins over ranked opp, three of them in the top 3, without hardly losing a round. Stretching almost 10 years after the Lewis fight.

So that's my answer.

Now I'm asking you - again - who had a better win in their last fight? Or just anything comparable?

 

Oh out with ya.....yup Vitali was certainly plodding compared to Wlad! -

plod
verb

plodded; plodding
Synonyms of plod
intransitive verb

1: to work laboriously and monotonously : DRUDGE

 

verb (used without object),plod·ded, plod·ding.

1. to walk heavily or move laboriously; trudge:to plod under the weight of a burden.
   
   
2. to proceed in a tediously slow manner:The play just plodded along in the second act.

verb (used with object),plod·ded, plod·ding.

1. to walk heavily over or along.

noun

1. the act or a course of plodding.
   
   
2. a sound of a heavy tread.

Plodders are guys like Andy Ruiz, my guy. Fastest hands you'll ever see too.

 

You just don't give up

What i pasted was the number one meaning in Merriam-Webster. It's also exactly why i used it. It's a apt description for my view of Vitali comparative to his brother.

1: to work laboriously and monotonously : DRUDGE

 

2
a
: to walk heavily or slowly : trudge

We're talking about physical movements, not figurative speech about working. You must be British.

 

It doesn’t count for anything where they rank necessarily, as Vitali’s wins will show in this post. You can be ranked number 1 but if the division is hot garbage, that will make a win less impressive. Have you actually seen these ranked fighters box? Peter? Chisora? Adamek? Arreola? Yeah, real killers. LMAO.

Since I have to explain it again, I will. You’re asking me to match what Lewis did as though it were some massive achievement - but again, I’m explaining why it isn’t massive. Vitali was a just barely competent fighter. You keep repeating on paper facts - this guy was ranked here, nobody else won at 38 against a guy who beat top ranked opposition etc, but the guy who won at 38 was in his prime at 36/37, the guy he beat defeated top ranked contenders who wouldn’t get into the top 30 during the 70’s, Vitali was a near-talentless boxer.

I know none of this is sinking in so I’ll leave it be.

 

To say that a fighter that hardly loses a round over 10 years against half a dozen ranked fighters, in any era, is talentless is the same as saying you don't know anything about boxing.

And that Peter and Sanders wouldn't get into the top 30 in a decade where Wepner got into the top 10.... Not a great take.