Better Trainer: Eddie Futch or Emmanuel Steward

Right ! Eloy only deals in his delusional present time ...

 

At least punch bags have good chins!

 

I voted for Futch, but I'm already rethinking it. I wonder sometimes if Steward got sidetracked when he embraced his role as the hired gun who would come in and retool established champs like Holyfield and De La Hoya.

Although he had a lot of success in that capacity, his passion, skills in the corner, and his ability to emotionally connect and fuel young fighters made him one of the best at training guys from the cradle to the championship. He was like Nacho Beristein in that regard.

It looked like the Kronk talent incubator was going to experience a major resurgence in the early 90s, but Steward's stable was hurt when very talented Kronk standard bearers like Oba Carr and Michael Moorer decided that they knew better than Steward and defected to other camps.

 

I will share this... When my Father and I were in Vegas to watch Hagler /Hearns. We went in and watched one of Hearns last workout. Jake LaMotta was there too ! We watched Hearns work the pads with Steward holing. It was incredible !!! The `pop` on the mitt from Hearns fabled right hand unbelieveable ! Hearns right hand,would turn completely over at the wrist for maximum torque. The sheer force of it would drive Stewards shoulder way back. I`ve watched Goody do the mitts over the years with many different fighters.But I`v never seen anyone crack the pads like Hearns !!

 

How can anyone even joke that Steward trained ANY dominant heavyweight champions?? How is getting cold ****ed by your peers in your prime dominant?

 

I love anecdotes like this. :good

 

Hearns had serious snap and power, there's a clip of him sparring against Ali and he hurts him with a right, Ali tried clowning but he was stunned alright. I actually felt sorry for him, I thought Tommy was out of order tbh.

 

Steward was the last of the old guard in many ways.

A major problem with the next great heavyweight talent, will be finding somebody who can develop them to their full potential.

 

Great trainers like great fighters, are standouts. When they die, there is nobody to replace them. As the number of boxing gyms has decreased, so has the number of trainers, and the number of fighters that trainers get to work with.

 

I agree with you Elroy that Steward was special. Greatest of them all isn't something I'd want to take away from Futch, Ray Arcel, Steward or several other worthies though so I'll just put them together on a high plane. Especially those three worked with so many greats and were part and parcel of what they all achieved.

 

Even great trainers can't fix glass jaws, that's something ones born with.

 

In the gym,

To mold from scratch, Futch.

To finish like a polished diamond, Steward.

To gameplan, Steward I think was better.

As a cornerman, Id go with Futch. Steward at times seemed nervous.

 

I would agree with most of this but I also think Stewart had success with certain styles and Futch with others...Manny was the master of the tall fighter, worked wonders with Vlad,Lennox and I like the way he had Oscar fighting and lets not forget Tommy & Kronk ...Futch was an elite master that taught Freddie Roach to be a trainer...I did not vote because both were great

 

To me, you couldnt go wrong with either of these guys. Both were excellent trainers and had great track records. I would call it draw.