Better win: Donaire or Kovalev?

Too close for me. Both good wins.

 

Like I said before, if not for Burnett's injury, Donaire's last good win was pre-Rigondeaux.

Kovalev was top 3 and a champion at 175, likely having the most accomplished year of his career, and Canelo jumped 15 pounds and knocked him out cleanly.

This is not a contest.

 

Kovalev didn’t come to win, yet won the majority of the rounds. How much crack do I need to make sense out of that?.

 

Shut up, you pathetic shill.

 

I think Donaire dispatches of noobs like Yarde p4p better and so I rate him higher p4p, he's always been higher p4p, and it seems he's a lot less shot and fragile than Kovalev.

Hard to say, can't undermine Canelo going up 2 weight divisions, but that rehydration clause kinda offset that.

 

To me, the 3 weeks "rest" before starting camp did Kovalev in more than the rehydration clause.

 

He's not wrong, spare for Kovalev's 2014 or 2016 perhaps being more accomplished, which furthers his point that Donaire has one good injury-assisted-win going back to the injury-assisted-win versus Vetyeka fight in 2014 (which IIRC, IB, you were among the most upset and not-giving-credit-to-Donaire for; maybe I'm wrong afterall it was 5.5 years ago).

Donaire is among my favorite fighters ever. I've repped him here above all others since I joined. But I'm not going to retroactively change reality and consensus views to further appreciate the moment. If you needed the Inoue fight to appreciate Donaire, then that is your problem (obviously this last sentence isn't directed to you exactly, IB).

 

Kovalev had a short rest and short camp after being nearly out on his feet. Canelo fans like to downplay this like it had no role in the fight lol.

When I was 21 it took months for my stuttering and memory problems to subside after I ate a lot of hard shots in back to back hard sparring sessions. Never knocked down, but when I came back after a 4 month break I found that punches I would normally shrug off were hurting me.

Anyone who thinks that 6 weeks is enough for an alcoholic to recover from a hard fight and nearly being out on his feet is delusional.

 

Questions:

1. How many of you picked Kovalev to beat Canelo?

2. How many of you picked Nonito to beat Inoue?

And there’s your answer. It’s a wrap.

(Just be thankful that we’ve had two great fights in under a week.)

 

that speaks more to Canelo’s skill than Kov. He tried to box a younger man when he knew his gas tank did not go to 12 rounds? Canelo was a heavy favorite for a reason. When has a guy ever gone up two classes to fight a larger guy, with massive odds in HIS favor? Everyone knew how the fight would end and it went along according to plan. Plus, there was no way Canelo was going to lose a decision, zero chance. Typical Canelo fans, trying to puff up a faded aged alcoholic Kov to make the win more than it was. In reality, the oddsmakers had it right. They knew Kov was shot. Three years ago Kov would have been an overwhelming betting favorite vs this version of Canelo. I hope Canelo gets back to his natural weight and doesn’t continue fighting shot older guys to puff up his resume.

 

Look, it's as simple as boxing as ever being a "what have you done for me lately" sport. Donaire and Kovalev both had brilliant primes, then inconsistent third acts of their careers, but look at their last couple of fights. Look at Kovalev's form versus Yarde, compared with Donaire's versus Burnett (leaving aside the bizarre anticlimax, just focusing on how good he looked fighting a young unbeaten titlist) and Young.

'19 Donaire > '19 Kovalev, pretty cut & dry.

@NoNeck also leaves out a lot (rehydration clause, the fact that Canelo whiffed like mad early on and had to let Kovalev outbox him for several rounds to wait for him to gas before going for the kill) in his reductive summary of "moved up 15lbs and knocked him out clean". (also it was only 7lbs, as Canelo is a super middleweight belt holder, remember? )

 

Is Donaire an alcoholic who was nearly KO'd by a bodybuilder a few months back though? Times change. This version of Donaire is a better fighter than current Kovalev.

 

No, you’re just doing gymnastics because you’re too emotional.

Kovalev beat Eleider, the best win of his career, in 2019 and also beat Yarde who was top ten.

Donaire looked good against Young who is basically a journeyman.

Kovalev’s stand up style is still effective at winning rounds which is why he can still consistently beat contenders. Donaire’s heart, chin, and power are still there, but he’s too easy to outbox at this point and that why he doesn’t log big wins anymore or even wins over top ten guys, with one exception due to injury.

 

Well isn't that a case of the Simone Biles calling the Nastia Liukin black?


I'm rather McKayla over your argumentation here.

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