Better win: Frazier over Ali or Duran over SRL?

Duran over Leonard was better.... a peak, active 24 year old Leonard is a harder nut to crack than 29 year old, 2 fights in 3 & a half years Ali.

I thought Duran won clearer than Frazier too, for the record.

 

Everything considered, not nearly as high as Duran`s over Leonard... impressive tho, SRL was sharp as an open razor that night.

 

Disagree with just about every single word... but to each their own :good

 

This is exactly my feeling, I think Ali of the 60s decisions Frazier, the stamina & legs were much better than in 71 & IMO those were thee 2 main reasons Ali lost that fight, the stamina & legs were diminished compared to the 60s version.

 

In his first 29 pro fights (before his suspension) Clay went the distance only 6 times, and fought 15 complete rounds only against Chuvalo and Terrell. I don't think he was ready to go 15 against Frazier, and that version of him would get KO'd by the '71 version of Joe. 60's Ali vs 60's Frazier, that's a different match-up though.

 

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I wonder what Joe Frazier would have done to Muhammad Ali, if he didn't
damage his ankle in 1970.

And he pretty much 'destroyed' Muhammad Ali with one-hand, the left hook.

Still, Roberto Duran's victory was more impressive.

A close second,,,,Saensak Muangsurin TKO 8 over Perico Fernandez,

 

Muhammad Ali of 1964-67 wouldn`t have been ready to go 15 rounds with Frazier ? :rofl

Please, he`d stick & move to a decision over Frazier, he managed to bag rounds in 71 using the stick & move tactic when his legs & stamina were only half as good as they were in the 60s, your logic is faulty.

 

Ali himself claimed that he didn't lose that much speed as people thought, and his feet looked okay against Quarry. In fact, that version of him, with his legs and stamina half as good as they were in the 60's, helped him improve his resume a lot, as he jumped from 33 years old Cleveland Williams, injured Floyd Patterson, 32 years old punching-bag Brian London and 36 years old Zora Folley to Frazier x2, Foreman, Norton x2, Ellis, Quarry x2.

In '71 he was floored twice by Frazier, and had to constantly hold him for their next fights in order to have a chance. I consider that bout a wake-up call for him, and there's absolutely no way a 60's version of Ali can survive 15 rounds in ring with a '71 version of Frazier.

 

Both Duran and Frazier had their finest moment here, essentially overachieving with a monumental effort. Historically, the better win is Duran's clearly, though.

Leonard was a beast that night. First round, it is clear that Duran is at a handspeed deficit. Leonard also scores high for chin, determination, finishing, boxing ability, creativity and speed of foot. If he doesn't tag and then mercilessly dog him from the second onward, he might not have won.

Duran's physical peak was slightly past him, he had a long career and he was jumping two weight divisions to beat the P4P #1 at the time. Not only that, but Leonard did prove his class in his subsequent career. He is a consensus top 3 ATG in one of the deepest weight classes in boxing.

Frazier took the 0 of the best heavyweight that ever lived. No-one can take three years off and not lose a step, though, so Ali was not at his absolute best. Because of Ali's determination and class, he had not slipped so far as another might have, but there was still a difference.

Fraziers performance makes this fight for me. So determined. So utterly impervious to pain. How Ali never panicked I'll never know.

 

Ali from the 60´s beats Frazier. Better legs, better stamina and much better in avoiding punches.

Durans win is not as clear but a better win since Leonard didn´t have a 3 year old break.
However Leonard fought Durans fight, when he changed in the revenge he outsmarted Duran in every area. I don´t believe in Duran not being in shape, that is just a bad excuse. He lost against a much better boxer.

 

But Joe had only gone the full 15 once as I can recall. Against Bonavena. He certainly wasn't a veteran over the distance.

 

It's only in very recent years this revisionism about Joe Frazier's ankle injury's come up !!!

March 8 1971 was Frazier's best performance in his entire career.

 

Duran's victory has the edge on Joe's. Very small but signifigant difference at play here. As has been said,Leonard was just entering his prime,while Muhammad was slightly passsd his with a bit of ring rust still not shaken off. That's not said with any aim in detracting from Frazier's performance,by any means.

 

ali started strong v frazier like he did v quarry. only difference is quarry only lasted 3 rounds. once ali got to the mid rounds, he slowed and frazier caught up and started getting on top. a 67 ali could keep moving a lot longer and pace himself well for the full 15. comeback ali struggled with bonavena which revealed he had lost hellavalot cuz of the layoff - watch round 9 ali is holding on for dear life lol - ali took more shots in this one fight then all his 60s title fight all together. watch round 15 v chuvalo or terrell - ali is dancing and moving like it's the first round. and some say 60s ali would perform worse v frazier when his legs were superior and he was in better fighting and physical shape?? that makes sense haha. i have noticed the biggest ali haters are picking frazier over duran e.g. red cobra lol