Better win: Fury-Klitschko or Joshua-Klitschko

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Which is the better win?

  1. 39 year old champion Klitschko in Germany

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  2. 41 year old beltless Klitschko in UK

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    38.2%
  1. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member Full Member

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    The Wlad Joshua beat was better and the win was bigger. The Wlad Fury fought was in a dark mental space and looked terrible. The win was hardly decisive. Wlad would have proved it had Fury gone through with the contracted rematch but instead wimped out.
     
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  2. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    When Fury fought Wlad he was the active Unified Heavyweight Champion on an 11 year,22 fight unbeaten run and holding 3 of the belts,the Wlad Joshua fought was beltless,was coming off a loss and had been retired for almost 2 years,add to this that Fury was never behind,never in trouble and never down during any point of the fight !
     
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  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Had to go with option 2 just because of how the question was phrased.

    In all honesty, its's very hard to say. He was younger for Fury but also had family problems and might been a bit overconfident and lacked a bit of motivation.
     
  4. Kev2k83

    Kev2k83 Member Full Member

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    This isn't even debatable.

    Shot old vladdy should have but didn't want to steam roll his best mates career

    I'm not sure how people say Klitschko looked so good.

    Was slow, timing was off etc

    Looked completely shot but had a robot stood Infront of him who was easy to hit and should have flat lined him.

    But didn't cus he's his mate.
     
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  5. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What’s often overlooked is just how bad Klitschko was in the Bryant Jennings fight 7 months prior to Fury. He was severely criticised for not letting his right hand go to the point where he was asked about a possible hand injury? He was definitely dialling it in at that point of his career. I think it took the defeat and end of his reign to ignite something.
     
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  6. BlackDog

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    Yes he got belts, he was undefeated and other. But that's only theory. In practice he got big changes in private live, he lost his trainer and mentor, and he was just after bad (for his level) performance vs Bryant Jennings.

    We can easy said that Wlad's vigilance was dormant. And nobody expect (not nobody but most of boxing fans and book and expert) that Fury can be soo dangerous with his previous performance. Yes he is big, pretty quick, strong but also he dont have punching power and he was floored before by Cunningham and other.
    Klitschko probably dont expect soo hard fight.

    Fury loss wake him up. He was angry and want reematch to take his belts back. He also train in different way because they understand that vs Fury Władimir must be more agresive and active in the ring.
    He probably prepare this more agresive version for Fury reematch.
    And then fight didnt happend and he fought Joshua.

    Fury win was better. In paper he beat "better" Wlad because metric, belts and other show You this perspective. But in reality Wlad from fight with Joshua probably would KO this from Fury fight because his later version was ready for more sacrifice in the ring.

    That's why that's even a thread to people. We all understand that Fury beat historical better boxer in theory but in practice there is big possibility that Wład was better and more dangerous in Anthony fight.
     
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  7. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Fury would not rematch Klitschko, who was clearly compromised in their fight. AJ koed the version that Fury ducked.
     
  8. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wlad could not get to Fury but easily got to Joshua and should have stopped him,styles make fights and Joshua was too predictable for Wlad where as Fury kept making Wlad reset. Wlad should have listened to his brother and forgot all about the hard drive sewn into his robe that was to be auctioned off and went for the stoppage. Fury’s game plan was not fan friendly at all but worked like a charm,Wlad v Joshua was a far more exciting fighting to watch hence people think a retired Wlad was better as he was able to be offensive but eventually succumbed to the younger Joshua. Joshua got the win but Wlad was the one who started the self doubt in Joshua long before Ruiz was able to take advantage of it .
     
  9. Special one

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    Not sure which is the better win tbh but know there's only one of those two fights boxing fans want to rewatch.... Unless they suffer with insomnia. Fury v Klitschko probably the most dull fight in HW title history. Joshua v Klitschko was a fight that had it all entertainment wise.
     
  10. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's funny how one of the excuses for Wlad is that his spoiled actress wife had the 'baby blues'. This is so funny. Imagine if she was living with Wlad in Ukraine now, complaining about the baby blues and her incredible hardships of being a super-rich mother of one child she'll never look after but have servants take care of. This is absolutely not an excuse as it's not a real problem.

    The Wlad Fury beat was younger and way more confident, that is simply a fact. Look at him in the build-up, his smug disparaging treatment of Fury. He said himself afterwards he thought Fury would slow down and he'd catch him and KO him. Fury was never in trouble in the fight and did take two flush RH's, one on the jaw he shook off and one in the last round on the temple in the corner while dipping. Wlad looked bad because he couldn't track Fury and land the jab, he said so himself.

    The Wlad AJ beat was just giving it one last run and was clearly quite happy to lose. Compare his post-fight reactions, one is horror, one is almost relief. Wlad wanted the rematch with Fury but didn't want it with AJ, saying he didn't have the desire anymore. AJ was in serious trouble in the fight for a few rounds and was getting outboxed too. The Wlad of the AJ fight wasn't quite the same, definitely not the same mentally.

    AJ fans cling to that fight because it's all he's got. Otherwise they have to talk about beating Ruiz on points, who didn't train. Or maybe they can bring up Parker now since he's the flavour of the month, despite being wrecked by Joyce recently, in a fashion AJ couldn't come close to.
     
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  11. BlackDog

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    I know all of that. Style make fight and other.
    I understand that Fury style was worse to look good but You forget simple fact that boxer cant change a little, do things better when they understand problem.
    Wlad cant find his distance with Fury soo for reematch he prepare more agresive version.

    You also forget that Joshua is massive puncher and compare to Fury Wład must worried about getting KO also.

    In Fury reematch he can show even more confident and agresive because Tyson is knockout artist.

    He prepare year for this. He said many times that he got obssesion about that and I belive his brave lost to Joshua show that excatly.

    Wlad from Fury was not ready for opponents from that class. He was champion for too long and many of his fights was just too easy.

    His style give him all this succses but same time he became prisoner of this. And what's work on smaller dudes dont do job with Fury. And he must change smth and he do that.

    Wlad shape, mental and focus on Joshua fight was much much better. He look probably best on weigh in, public workout and I excatly rember how he was Sharp.

    You can belive that he was better because 1,5 year Younger. I belive opposite.

    But also I understand that Fury victory was historical better win.
     
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  12. ConfusedGuy

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    People claim that Wlad looked better against AJ.....is it possible that's because Wlad is a heavy hitter who was fighting a guy who moves his head as though he is in a neck brace?

    And why is everyone so quick to point to family issues for Wlad? If he would have beaten Fury you'd be saying that he used his family issues to fuel him. Did he spend the previous decade of his title reign with no personal issues whatsoever? He looked bad against Fury because he had never fought someone bigger than him who could move like Fury could back then.

    If you take away whatever bias you have and look at the styles of Fury and AJ back then, it should be pretty obvious that Furys would pose him more issues.
     
  13. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If anything, this thread should serve to show how absurd the fans of a certain fighter are when it comes to resume.

    Armchair psychologists have determined, against all evidence, that 39 year old Vlad was IN A DARK PLACE MENTALLY. It's a miracle he even had the courage to walk to the ring.

    Reminds me of the folks who blame Joe Cortez for Hatton losing.
     
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  14. It's Ovah

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    The Wlad Joshua fought was both in a better headspace and had less pressure to perform. Joshua also had to fight back from nearly being KOed to stop Wlad late. He was tested and put through the fire in a way Fury never had to be.

    It was both a better Wlad and a better, more meaningful, win for Joshua.
     
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  15. miniq

    miniq Tyson Fury Undisputed HW Champion 18/5/24 Full Member

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    Fury beat Wlad 6 times by my books.

    Devastating losses,

    1st time beat him when Wlad refused to spar him in 2011
    2nd time Fury then beat him again for by INFAMOUS Sauna KO in the same camp probably the next day
    3rd time KO'd him in the pressers in their 2015 fight build up
    4th time Decisioned him barely losing a round in their fight
    5th time KO'd him AGAIN in their rematch pressers as Wlad waffled on talking rubbish making excuses like a poor loser
    6th time is him living rent free in Wlad's mind TO THIS DAY

    Wlad still hasn't given Fury his respect. Which is pure cowardice. If Fury lost to Usyk and showed that kind poor sportmanship that Wlad showed and AJ showed then I'd denounce him but I know he won't. He'll kiss Usyk and offer him his hand, heart and soul as an honourable fighting man.
     
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