Better Win Roy or Floyd

Where are you going with this?

Alton Merkerson wanted him to postpone the fight, but Roy wouldn't because it was his big chance. He says in the documentary he was in pain and only had one hand.

What do your want?

An official medical report?

I don't think that would alter your opinion regarding this thread anyway. So what's the point?

 

A young Canelo is a better fighter then a young Hopkins, i think we can all agree to this observation.
Otherwise Hopkins would of been rated higher as a boxer and more well known.

Floyd and Canelo"s catch weight didn't factor in Floyd winning the fight at all because Canelo barely won 2 rounds in their fight, if even that. People seem to forget Canelo weight at fight night was 170 pounds and Floyd was 147 fight night and Canelo only moved up from 148 to 160 this is only a couple of pounds and Canelo doesn't even look right fighting at 160 at all and gets gassed after 5 rounds due to being to heavy on fight night, i think we can all agree to this.

Catch weight fights are all good when they are made until their fighter loses the fight, then it becomes a big deal, but like i said Canelo fight night weight was 170 and Floyd was only 147 or 149 fight night and the way Floyd beat him so easy, a couple of pounds wouldn't even of mattered anyway.

But an older Hopkins is and still will be a much better and a much more accomplished fighter then Canelo, i think we can all agree to this, like i said some boxers get better with age like Hopkins and Gorge Foreman got better, smarter with age.

But the question was which win was better at the time they fought Hopkins and Canelo, not who turned into a better fighter after they both fought Floyd and Roy, that was not the question.

So we can all agree Canelo at the time he fought Floyd was a better boxer then Hopkins when he fought Roy Jones jr,

Canelo was Ring magazine ranked number 9 pound for pound fighter in the world at the time he fought Floyd.
The Ring magazine's no. 1 rated light middleweight and unified WBC/WBA "regular" champion, and was 41-0 at the time

Hopkins
Hopkins immediately joined the professional boxing ranks as a light heavyweight, losing his debut on October 11, 1988, in Atlantic City, New Jersey to Clinton Mitchell. After a sixteen-month layoff, he resumed his career as a middleweight, winning a unanimous decision over Greg Paige at the Blue Horizon on February 22, 1990.

Between February 1990 and December 1992, Hopkins scored 21 wins without a loss. He won 16 of those fights by knockout, 12 coming in the first round.
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Canelo vs Lara i thought Lara won the fight and that's no bad point on Canelos career because Lara is a world champion himself and still is.

Erislandy Lara Santoya (born April 11, 1983) is a Cuban-American professional boxer. He has held the WBA light middleweight title since 2014 (promoted to Super champion in 2016) and the IBO light middleweight title since 2015. As of May 2017, he is ranked as the world's best light middleweight by The Ring magazine, second by BoxRec, and fifth by the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board.

Lara is widely regarded as one of the most technically skilled fighters in boxing today.[1] He was captain of the Cuban national amateur team, winning a gold medal in the welterweight division at the 2005 World Championships as well as three consecutive Cuban national championships from 2005 to 2007.[
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Canelo also went life and death with this generations best Middle Weight fighter in the world and a top 20 all time middle weight fighter ever, Canelo shouldn't hang his head over that loss because he did better against GGG then any middle weight fighter has ever done and Canelo had a chance to win the fight.

GGG
Gennady Gennadyevich Golovkin (Kazakh: Геннадий Геннадьевич Головкин; born 8 April 1982), often known by his nickname "GGG" or "Triple G", is a Kazakhstani professional boxer who currently holds the unified WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, and IBO middleweight titles. As of September 2017, he is ranked as the world's best active middleweight by the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board (TBRB), and second by The Ring magazine and BoxRec. He is also ranked as the world's best active boxer, pound for pound, by The Ring;[

In his amateur career, Golovkin won a gold medal in the middleweight division at the 2003 World Championships. He went on to represent Kazakhstan at the 2004 Summer Olympics, winning a middleweight silver medal.
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But Hopkins is and forever will be a better boxer after Canelo is done boxing even if he finally beats GGG because we all know he won't get the credit unless he moved up to super middle weight or beats skilled fighters like Charlo and even this won't be enough, i think we can all agree on this, B Hopkins will always be a better more accomplished boxer then Canelo and this is no knock on Canelo he's great to, but not as great as Hopkins turned out to be.


But like i said before Floyd"s win over Canelo is and always will be a better win then Roy Jones win over B Hop at the time they fought each other and at that time in both fighters careers.

 

Look man I don't rate Hopkins quite as high as many people do. But there is clearly a gulf in skills between him and Canelo.

You guys honestly think that a 22 year old Canelo fairs well against a prime Roy Jones? It's unlikely that he wins a single round. And he probably goes down after eating multiple hard flush shots.

And Bernard was better in 1993 than he was in 2004 that's for sure. Remember that "prime Hopkins" (according to most) was getting outworked by Jermain Taylor. The reality is Hopkins wasn't very green, if at all against Jones.

And even a green Hopkins is better than a prime Canelo IMO. The thing about Canelo is that he's just not that great. And if GGG wasn't 35 he'd still be in the ICU.

 

Why does a fighter have to be known to possess talent? Since when did the size of your fanbase determine how good you are? Does anybody else not realize how ridiculous it is to equate fanbase size with skill?

How many fans did Carlos Monzon have when he came to America? Did people even know who he was? That's the point.

 

Hopkins wasn't a PPV fighter - that's about the only remote definition of "well known" I could go with
aside from that, Hopkins was (along with roy jones) the best fighters of their era

i'm not sure where you got this "otherwise Hopkins would have been rated higher and more well known" from

 

Did you watch the fight? He used both hands. You're quoting a documentary that was designed to glorify Roy Jones.

 

I believe Canelo does just about the same with Roy Jones just like Hopkins and Trinidad did with Roy and that's absolutely nothing at all.

Now Hopkins vs Canelo is a different fight, a pick-um fight for me, just like i think GGG beats prime Hopkins, because Hopkins got beat by Jermain Taylor and prime GGG beats Hopkins.

Prime Roy toys with any middle weight in history and that's no lie Roy Jones was a freak of nature and that Super fighter at his time and at anytime in history.

Remember Hopkins has trouble with fighters that have strong Jabs and hard right hands with a good boxing IQ, but Hopkins has it easy with boxers with weak jabs no ring IQ and a weak right hand.

Watch the Kovalev vs Hopkins fight, Hopkins wouldn't even jab with Kovalev because of that right hand counter he was getting hit with and watch Hopkins vs Taylor, that jab Taylor was throwing was bothering Hopkins like crazy.

GGG'S jabs and right hands would tear prime Hopkins up, but Canelo has a strong jab to and right hand power with good defense that bothers GGG but Hopkins loses to both Canelo and GGG, that's how i see it going down.


No one can tell me that prime Roy doesn't beat any middle weight boxer in history, even an in shape middle weight James Toney who got beat by Mikel Nunn until the last round of their fight, hell even prime Nunn loses by KO and yes even Joe loses to prime Roy.

You couldn't hit prime Roy Jones for years until he lost all that muscle mass from moving up to heavy weight and got weak then loses his reflexes and timing. and Taver was a big light heavy weight and was no joke. After that Roy should of took a year off to let his brain heal correctly then fight again.

You put Roy Jones Super reflexes and super speed and power along with Floyd's defense and super boxing ring IQ and you have the perfect fighter and also Floyd"s work ethics, the perfect fighter. He could lose his reflexes and you still couldn't beat him because of his higher ring IQ and defense.

 

hopkins was not the favourite against roy jones. Roy jones has never been an underdog in any of his fights until he got kod. Roy jones has the better win but not the better resume overall obviously. You could easily argue that the 28 year old hopkins was better than anyone on floyds resume at the point he fought them..

 

Also the fact that Hopkins won a few rounds against Roy who we all know was untouchable then shows even at that stage how good he was.

 

tekkennlee,

That line of thinking is just ignorant.

 

Yes, he used both hands.

He didn't literally fight one handed.


I have no reason not to believe his claims.

Again, Alton Merkerson is on record as saying that he tried to get him to postpone the fight.

Roy has mentioned it numerous times over the years, even referencing it in a song of his.

He also had hand troubles during other fights, especially as he aged up at LHW.


The factors that we're analysing, either add something to the wins, or they take something away from them. Which is why the TS's question is a hard one to answer

If Roy had been at 100%, his win wouldn't have been as good.

If Floyd hadn't have demanded the C-W, his win would have been better.

If Floyd had been 26 instead of 36, his win wouldn't have been as good.

 

Actually that's highly debatable. His wins over Hopkins and Toney easily surpass any Mayweather win. And Roy Jones went from MW to HW winning titles. So his overall resume is pretty good. Just because somebody doesn't have a DLH or Pac level resume doesn't mean that they don't have a very good resume.

 

Personally, I can't envisage Canelo beating Bernard.

I think Bernard would also have beaten GG, but it may have been more competitive.

It's okay to note how well Taylor did, but Taylor was fast, and he was also taller than GG and Canelo, whilst also possessing a longer reach. The fights with Taylor presented him with a stylistic challenge, ones that would have been completely different to what GG and Canelo would have presented him with.

Regarding his fight with Kovalev, again, he was fighting a guy with a bigger reach than GG and Canelo. Also, there's obviously a huge difference between fighting a prime LHW at almost 50 years old, to fighting MW's when you're 20-30.

Regarding Roy, it's a gross exaggeration to say he'd have toyed with any MW in history.

 

He may have been the underdog against Toney.

I'd have to check.