Better Win Roy or Floyd

I think Floyd being an older man is more impressive

 

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First off, your not going to give Floyd credit for the Canelo fight and win anyway, even if Floyd made it look easy at 36 years old and Canelo was The Ring magazine's no. 1 rated light middleweight and unified WBC/WBA "regular" champion, and was 41-0 at the time and Canelo was Ring magazine ranked number 9 pound for pound fighter in the world at the time he fought Floyd.

Most people were saying Floyd wouldn't even fight Canelo because he was afraid of him and was going to lose.

You can't use what each fighter did or is still doing after their fights with them right now because that wasn't the question. So you have to go with only that win at that time in history and fighters get better in history well some do.

Mayweather was 36 years old going up against a young bigger fighter that was beating old vets and Canelo was The Ring magazine's no. 1 rated light middleweight and unified WBC/WBA "regular" champion, and was 41-0 at the time, while Roy was young fighting B Hopkins who was 22-1 with no veteran wins and not proven at all at that time.

Bernard Hopkins
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/1414 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Hopkins
Early career
Hopkins immediately joined the professional boxing ranks as a light heavyweight, losing his debut on October 11, 1988, in Atlantic City, New Jersey to Clinton Mitchell. After a sixteen-month layoff, he resumed his career as a middleweight, winning a unanimous decision over Greg Paige at the Blue Horizon on February 22, 1990.

Between February 1990 and December 1992, Hopkins scored 21 wins without a loss. He won 16 of those fights by knockout, 12 coming in the first round.
Saul Alvarez https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canelo_Álvarez
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/348759
WBC light middleweight champion

On March 5, 2011, Álvarez defeated EBU Welterweight Champion Matthew Hatton by unanimous decision, for the vacant WBC Light Middleweight belt. The bout was televised on HBO and took place at the Honda Center in Anaheim, California.[30] Álvarez was docked a point in the seventh round for hitting after the break. All three ringside judges scored the bout at 119-108 in favor of Álvarez. He lost 1 point for an illegal punch in the seventh round, which was uniformly scored 9-9. Álvarez landed 47% of his 626 punches, including 53% of his power shots, while Hatton connected with just 25% of his 546 total blows.[31] The fight averaged 1.4 million viewers on HBO.[32]

Álvarez successfully defended his newly awarded WBC Light Middleweight title against the Ring #4 ranked Super Welterweight[33] and current EBU Light Middleweight Champion, Ryan Rhodes.[34][35] Álvarez defeated Rhodes by a technical knockout victory in the twelfth round on June 18, 2011, in Guadalajara, Jalisco.[35][36] The fight averaged 1.6 million viewers on HBO.[32]

On 17 September 2011, Álvarez successfully defended his title with a TKO in Round 6 over The Contender competitor Alfonso Gomez at the Staples Center, Los Angeles, winning by technical knockout victory in the sixth round. Álvarez got a knockdown in Round 1, but there were a couple cautious rounds that left Gomez win the majority of the first five rounds. Álvarez was looking for one shot and got it in the sixth round. He backed up Gomez with a right hand and followed up with a flurry to get the referee to jump in and stop the fight.[37]

Álvarez vs. Cintron
Álvarez defeated Kermit Cintron in the 5th round by TKO. Álvarez spent the first three rounds feeling out Cintron, a former Welterweight Champion, before punishing the Puerto Rican with body shots and straight right hands in the fourth round. He knocked Cintron down once and had him in trouble at the end of the round, but Cintron was saved by the bell. In the fifth round, Cintron came out and caught Álvarez with some combinations, but Álvarez eventually overpowered him with several powerful straight right hands, and the referee stepped in and stopped it.[38] The fight averaged 1.5 million viewers on HBO: Boxing After Dark.[32]

Álvarez vs. Mosley
Richard Schaefer announced that Álvarez's next bout on May 5, 2012, on the undercard of Miguel Cotto's clash with Floyd Mayweather Jr. at the MGM Grand Garden Arena, and co- featured, on Cinco De Mayo. On February 11, Shane Mosley was announced as Álvarez's next opponent on May for his WBC Light Middleweight title. Álvarez defeated Mosley after 12 rounds via unanimous decision.[39][40]

Álvarez vs. Lopez
Álvarez was originally set to fight Ring Top 10 Super Welterweight, and former Welterweight Champion, Paul Williams on September 15, 2012. However, on May 27, 2012, a motorcycle accident in the U.S. state of Georgia paralyzed Williams from the waist down, ending his boxing career. Álvarez's possible opponents for his September bout were James Kirkland, Austin Trout, Delvin Rodriguez and most notably, Victor Ortiz.



Álvarez vs. Trout
The Ring Magazine Light Middleweight title.



Canelo's Resume Trashes Hopkins Resume at their times they fought Floyd and Roy. So the point goes to Floyd.

Roy was young and just getting started while Floyd was 36 years old past prime and almost done, point goes to Floyd.

Canelo was Ring magazine ranked number 9 pound for pound fighter in the world at the time he fought Floyd.

I see in no way how a no name B Hopkins is a better win for Roy compared to a then young The Ring magazine's no. 1 rated light middleweight and unified WBC/WBA "regular" champion, and was 41-0 at the time and Floyd was 36 years old at the time and Canelo was Ring magazine ranked number 9 pound for pound fighter in the world at the time he fought Floyd.

 

He wasn't shot, but he was well past his best.

Although winning the lineal MW title looks impressive on paper, he beat a faded Martinez who retired after.

I don't think Cotto would ever have beaten Martinez when he was at his peak.

I don't rate the win that highly.

 

More proven doesn't mean he was better.

 

I'm not saying that Bernard was definitely a better fighter than Canelo. I'm merely posing the question for the sake of the debate.

I think both wins were great.

Again, I give Floyd huge credit, especially as it was an easy victory at 36. But I can't ignore that Canelo was young, and that Roy beat Bernard pretty easily with a fractured hand.

It's a very tough question.

 

tekkenlee,

I have no real issue with anybody picking Floyd's win, but you haven't been objective.

You haven't even taken into account the abilities of each fighter. You've just thrown stats around.

Sure, Canelo was more recognised than Bernard. Sure, he had the better resume. But beating the likes of Hatton, Trout and a faded Shane, doesn't mean he was a better fighter than Bernard. It's just circumstances. Canelo got the opportunity to be a champ before he fought Floyd, but Bernard didn't get the opportunity to become a champ before he fought Roy. But under different circumstances, Bernard could have carried a belt into the ring, especially if he'd have fought guys of the calibre of Trout to obtain it. Although Bernard was relatively unknown when he fought Roy in 1993, you can see how good of a fighter he was, simply by watching their fight. Roy beat a very good fighter that night.

I think the biggest factor here is Floyd's age. He looked absolutely fantastic at 36. But we can't ignore the C-W, or that Canelo was only in his early 20's and that he stood off Floyd due to a fear of getting countered. After he fought Floyd, he then struggled against Erislandy Lara, who many people thought won the fight.

Against Roy, Bernard was in his physical prime at 28, and afterwards, he then went 12 years undefeated. Also, Roy beat him with a fractured hand.

All of the above has to be taken into account.

 

I challenge you to find evidence that Roy had a broken hand. Sounds more like a rumor perpetuated by Roy.

 

It sounds as though you've no intention of having an objective debate because your mind's already made up.

 

All i could find on it was a few posts on message boards. I couldn't even find an instance of Roy saying it. That matters, right? Or is it fact because Tinman said so?

 

Roy has spoken of it many times.

He had trouble with his right hand at various stages of his career.

Alton Merkerson says he tried to get him to postpone the fight with Bernard, but Roy wouldn't because it was his first big break after being shackled by his father for years. He felt that there was too much riding on the fight.

He briefly talks about it in the documentary - Beyond the Glory.

 

I found something here: https://books.google.com/books?id=b...XAhXhSN8KHX7hBVoQ6AEIVjAM#v=onepage&q&f=false

He doesn't say he broke it. He says "basically fractured" it which is vague at best and apparently only worthy of a few sentences in an interview. He did fight two handed against Hopkins though. Floyd has a history of having anaesthetic injected in his hands before fights. Roy may have been in the same boat against Hopkins.

 

A fracture is a breaking of the bone.

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'Peak' Jones beating 'Peak' Hopkins is far better than 'Peak' Mayweather beating 'Peak' Canelo......

But Mayweather was 36.

Hopkins is of course the better scalp.

But i'd argue Floyd's win and dominance, given his age and the size/age of his opponent, is probably more impressive.

 

"Basically fractured" is vague and doesn't even say for sure if it was fractured. There's nothing on the injury and how it was dealt with. If he had a hairline fracture a few weeks before the fight and had lidocaine injected on fight night, it might not be that big of a deal. He did use both hands.