Better win: Schmeling w Louis or Frazier w Ali?

Bokaj, great question.

The bald results suggest Max's win is arguably greater, but digging a little deeper I think Frazier's win is better. In Louis' autobiography, if what Joe says is true (and it certainly reads true), he trained for Schmeling in bed with starlets & on the golf course, which does detract from it slightly (louis' own fault of course). Louis was also severely clocked by Max after the bell to end round 2, Louis said he never quite recuperated from this blow, which he claims caught him off guard.

Just my $ 0.02.

 

Louis was closer TO his PEAK than was ali, but ali was better than Louis so i will say equal

 

Perhaps there was a reason why Ali / Frazier 1 was labelled The Fight Of The Century.

 

Really good question Bokaj. While I believe Joe's account of what he did outside the gym leading up to Schmeling1, Blackburn as his trainer would have had Joe ready to go with everything in it so I can't see that as being why he got so thumped. Max's aim was simple and he was able to land as he thought, that was pretty much the fight. Ali and Frazier were both a head above Max though, even a past his zenith Ali, so the FOTC takes top billing here.

 

Fair dos Bokaj. Great thought provoking question though. A question to which there isn't a definite answer I suspect, just a matter of personal opinion and interpretation.

This question has got me thinking - perhaps Louis' loss to Schmeling was his "Tokyo Douglas" moment? I realise Douglas was more of a one hit wonder than Max but I'm sure you get me drift?

 

Definitely Fight of the century because Ali is the biggest name in the history of boxing and the man he was going up against was another all time great. Both undefeated heavyweight champions at the time. I don't think its been done before or since. Their really is no comparison in this.

 

I would go with Schmeling.

I have seen folks argue that Ali really beat Frazier. As a matter of fact, I heard Ali make that claim in 1971.

No one can argue that Louis won.

 

Agree. Both were great victories, but that one Ali version that Frazier won was superior to Louis version that Schmelling won .

 

Schmeling over Louis.

1) Louis was unbeaten for 14 years afterward fighting top competition (and was never beaten like that until his final fight). Ali was getting beat 2 years afterward.

2) Schmeling's win was much more dominant. I know fans love a back and forth war, but a one-sided victory means more. There are some who still say Ali won the FOTC. Schmeling knocking out Louis left no room for doubt. Dominating KO > Close but clear UD.