Better win: Tszyu-Judah or Calzaghe-Lacy?

David UK · May 1, 2011

KTFO323 said: ↑

Calzaghe over Lacy. Because Jeff Lacy has never been the same after that beatdown. Judah has gone on to have a very good career.
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This^^

Plus the fact that Lacy was expected to be the biggest thing in American boxing since Mike Tyson and one of tv companies even promoted him during the most expensive tv advertising slot in the world, ie half time at the Superbowl

Kittikasem · May 1, 2011

IrnBruMan said: ↑

Your thread is asking people to choose which is the better win, then you ask them to explain why they made whatever their selection is.

In order to choose and then explain which is the better win, comparison must be made on certain criteria.
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:huh I think we have a different idea of what a "comparison" is.

Relentless · May 1, 2011

Money Zaggy's win over the supposedly super middleweight tyson.

Kittikasem · May 1, 2011

rccwilliams said: ↑

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Lacy was hyped through the ceiling by slack jawed yanks, that's what makes the Sugar Joe victory so special and unquestionably great.
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That's a superb way of evaluating the quality of a win. You are a professional boxing analyst I think.

Kingkazim · May 1, 2011

David UK said: ↑

This^^

Plus the fact that Lacy was expected to be the biggest thing in American boxing since Mike Tyson and one of tv companies even promoted him during the most expensive tv advertising slot in the world, ie half time at the Superbowl
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Promotion means nothing once they step into the ring

Kingkazim · May 1, 2011

Kittikasem said: ↑

That's a superb way of evaluating the quality of a win. You are a professional boxing analyst I think.
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:deal

HMSTempleGarden · May 1, 2011

SportsLeader said: ↑

Judah's pretty crap but he has won multiple titles at different weights and has done much more with his career than Lacy ever did.

Tszyu - Judah.
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simply because Lacy was never given the chance to rebuild his career after being horsed by the Welsh Dragon

arve lie · May 1, 2011

Lacy was never a class fighter. SMW top 5 on another level today
Calzaghes win against Kessler more impressiv.
Tszyu like Calzaghe one of the great. Wish Tszyu-Hoya had happend.

Casamayor122 · May 1, 2011

bailey said: ↑

Interesting question.
With boxing matches you have to look at the fights when they happend, then again in hindsight.

When the fight happend -
Judah was a winner of 6 world title fights, his only real decent opponent was T Millett who had lost in a round to S Mitchell. Judah had been put down a couple of times before.
Lacy was a winner of 5 world title fights and had beaten world rated SMWs Vanderpool, Pemberton, Sheika, Reid and was beating Tsypko before a NC was called. Lacy had never been down.
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If you bring up those names who were probably never Ring TOP10 SMW give Judah props for beating boxers who were actual RING TOP10 JWW before, at the time he fought them or for significant periods afterward.

Darryl Tyson
Mickey Ward
Jan Piet Bergman
Junior Witter - a shut out in the UK.
Terron Millet - coming of good wins against Pendelton and Phillips; never the same after Judah knocked him out.
Reggie Green

After Tszyu before moving to WW:

Demarcus Corley - who was a champion, virtually undefeated and on a good run of wins: Randal Bailey, Ener Julio, Felix Flores.
Jaime Rangel - who gave Tim Bradley all he could handle. Many felt Rangel was robbed. Judah demolished him in 1 round.

Kittikasem · May 1, 2011

Casamayor122 said: ↑

If you bring up those names who were probably never Ring TOP10 SMW give Judah props for beating boxers who were actual RING TOP10 JWW before, at the time he fought them or for significant periods afterward.

Darryl Tyson
Mickey Ward
Jan Piet Bergman
Junior Witter - a shut out in the UK.
Terron Millet - coming of good wins against Pendelton and Phillips; never the same after Judah knocked him out.
Reggie Green

After Tszyu before moving to WW:

Demarcus Corley - who was a champion, virtually undefeated and on a good run of wins: Randal Bailey, Ener Julio, Felix Flores.
Jaime Rangel - who gave Tim Bradley all he could handle. Many felt Rangel was robbed. Judah demolished him in 1 round.
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Quality post. You evidently have greater boxing knowledge than the person you are responding to, but you don't shove it in his face or insult him. Good posting. :good

HEADBANGER · May 1, 2011

2 american hypejobs getting destroyed

vnyc · May 1, 2011

HEADBANGER said: ↑

2 american hypejobs getting destroyed
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this

bailey · May 1, 2011

Casamayor122 said: ↑

If you bring up those names who were probably never Ring TOP10 SMW give Judah props for beating boxers who were actual RING TOP10 JWW before, at the time he fought them or for significant periods afterward.

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Did you not read that I said before and in Hindsight? R Reid was a top 10 SMW so was Vanderpool, Tsypko, Pemberton

Darryl Tyson
Mickey Ward
Jan Piet Bergman
Junior Witter - a shut out in the UK.
Terron Millet - coming of good wins against Pendelton and Phillips; never the same after Judah knocked him out.
Reggie Green

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You are not being accurate with what you put, as I said before and in hindsight. Witter then was a regional UK fighter, Ward then a glorified journeyman, Bergman had lost to a novice Witter, and I did note Millet as a good win for Judah but noted he had been KOd in a round, so stop trying to gloss up the at time of the fight story

After Tszyu before moving to WW:

Demarcus Corley - who was a champion, virtually undefeated and on a good run of wins: Randal Bailey, Ener Julio, Felix Flores.
Jaime Rangel - who gave Tim Bradley all he could handle. Many felt Rangel was robbed. Judah demolished him in 1 round

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All after his loss, so hadnt happend at the time of the fight. This is the hindsight part

Kittikasem said: ↑

Quality post. You evidently have greater boxing knowledge than the person you are responding to, but you don't shove it in his face or insult him. Good posting. :good
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Kittikasem how wrong can you keep being?? I know you are put out with the schoolings I have given you, but read how I noted at fight time and in hindsight.
This guy is noting what Judah did after losing to Tsyzu. That is in hindsight atsch.
If you think he has shown good knowledge, then why dont you ask him about where Witter was in his career at the time he fought Judah .

You are almost as delusional as the person who wrote that rubbish atsch
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KO KIDD · May 1, 2011

bailey said: ↑

Interesting question.
With boxing matches you have to look at the fights when they happend, then again in hindsight.

When the fight happend -
Judah was a winner of 6 world title fights, his only real decent opponent was T Millett who had lost in a round to S Mitchell. Judah had been put down a couple of times before.
Lacy was a winner of 5 world title fights and had beaten world rated SMWs Vanderpool, Pemberton, Sheika, Reid and was beating Tsypko before a NC was called. Lacy had never been down.

When the fight happend - Lacy looked a better win than Judah.

In Hindsight - Judah has gone on to have a far better career than Lacy and should be considered a better win overall. But not at the time, I dont think.
Similar to like when Jones beat Hopkins, at the time Hopkins was an unknown MW with a loss, who couldnt win his next world title challenge, but now he is one of Jones biggest wins, but at the time Hopkins wasnt a great win and not as good a win at the time as Jones win over Griffin, though Hopkins is a far better fighter than Griffin and now in hindsight is a better win
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pretty much sums it up

Casamayor122 · May 1, 2011

bailey said: ↑

Did you not read that I said before and in Hindsight? R Reid was a top 10 SMW so was Vanderpool, Tsypko, Pemberton

You are almost as delusional as the person who wrote that rubbish atsch
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I was talking about Ring Top10 rated boxers? Vanderpool, Tsypko, Pemberton never were. If you are talking about TOP10 in a boxing organization then you can add a lot more names for Judah BEFORE.
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