BEWARE: SENSIBLE THREAD. 2010: A big disappointment OR a period of transition?

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  1. 'Ben'

    'Ben' Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm just keeping positive. The fights will happen.... we all just have to BELIEVE!!!! :happy
     
  2. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    They could do much better, IMO.

    Basically tell the fighters/promoters ''this is what we want and will pay $x, anything else and it's $x less 50% or whatever''.

    It's too easy for people to make a shitload of cash and hardly fight anybody, whether in the States, on the continent or even here.
     
  3. robpalmer135

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    true but we are getting there now. HBO turning down the Klitsckos and Mosley vs Mora is a start. They also turned down Lopez vs Conception as they wanted Lopez in with Caballero.
     
  4. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Yeah, it looks like some progress is being made, they are at least making smart decisions rather than just doing what Oscar tells them to do!

    They probably only passed on Mosley vs Mora because it would be up against Marquez vs Lopez on Showtime..... I know what I'd choose :yep
     
  5. Flea Man

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    How the **** was Floyd no.2 P4P in 2000?!?!?!?

    As Beeston says; as long as amateur boxing remains as it is, the next breed of 'Elite' talent just will not come through. There are obvious exceptions; Lomachenko and Camarrelle have very 'pro' styles but one of them is waiting for 2012 and the other doesn't seem fussed about turning pro.

    I think its on a steady decline; I doubt I'll be watching it in the next few years. Luckily we still have the past to watch and discuss, because I've been getting increasingly disillusioned with the sport with every passing day.
     
  6. robpalmer135

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    had made 6 defences of his Super Featherweight title by that point.
     
  7. Losfer_Words

    Losfer_Words Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some really great responses, thanks:thumbsup. I'm starting to feel a bit more optimistic about the sport and the matches that are now potentially on the horizon. Pac-Cotto II is something that I really don't care for considering that the first fight had a perfectly suitable and one-sided outcome, though. I absolutely detest all of these 'in-house' policies that are implemented by various promoters, and it's the sort of **** that makes boxing look so bad to the casual fan. I know it's not new, but it's still massively frustrating when it gets in the way of other decent fights being made:conf.

    I'm pretty sure you stole the rankings and the credit for them off of Kos, mate.
     
  8. kosaros

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    Whoop-de-doo!
     
  9. Beeston Brawler

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    I'm not sure what Arum is trying to achieve by touting Cotto as a potential Pacquiao opponent - I mean, he looked good last time out but that was against Yuri Foreman, it doesn't change the fact that he was well beaten by Pac.

    As for Margarito, I don't hold as much against him as many people do on here, he tried to cheat, was caught beforehand and served his suspension.... but should have to at least earn a title fight/career high payday that Pac would bring.

    If they really want to go belt chasing, why not fight Floyd in the meantime whilst the situation becomes clearer at 154.....
     
  10. robpalmer135

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    Kos wasnt keeping them up to date so I offered to take over. He accepted. No stealing and when asked about origins Kosaros and yourself are always credited.
     
  11. D-MAC

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    Nah, he wasn't No.2.

    My source was **** (that stupid guess game I posted yesterday - Sporcle, I think). I went straight to the ring rankings and they have him in 7th in the year 2000. Sorry for the **** up.

    Here's what it was (looks more impressive than the original TBH):

    Ring Magazine Top 10 P-4-P (2000)

    1 - Shane Mosley
    2 - Felix Trinidad
    3 - Roy Jones Junior
    4 - Oscar De La Hoya
    5 - Diego Corrales
    6 - Naseem Hamed
    7 - Floyd Mayweather
    8 - Lennox Lewis
    9 - Erik Morales
    10 - Bernard Hopkins
     
  12. Losfer_Words

    Losfer_Words Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's obvious to me that Cotto is now just one of Arum's chips in the Top Rank Pacman game. Koncz has already said any fight at 154 won't technically be at 154, so we all know what that means again:roll:. To use Cotto so Pac can win two world titles at catchweights (not the division limit) is disgraceful, IMO; especially since the first fight was so one-sided. The whole promo for that fight will be 'Can Pac get another world title?', although, in reality, it'll be nothing but a diluted, insignificant feat should the fight go ahead and Pac grab another belt. What gets me is Pac is good enough not to cherrypick, but Arum's driving the Fillipino machine. Why not Berto, or Bradley, or JMM again? A JMM fight will generate much more revenue than Pac V Cotto II/ Margo. In-house, small risk merry-go-rounds are doing my swede right in:-(.

    Fair enough.
     
  13. ero-sennin

    ero-sennin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cuz Floyd's being a twat and not signing. Lil Floyd has untill Friday to sign the deal or Pac is moving on. You're right about the Cotto fight though, it's a waste of time. A joke. Margarito I'm not that happy about either. If Floyd doesn't want none, and I don't think he does, then Pac should try to fight somebody like Paul Williams or Berto. P-Dub is the fight that makes sense. P-Dub has said many times that making 147 is nothing for him. In fact he's fed up of having to eat so much so he can fight higher than 147. He only moved up cuz none of the welterweight division wanted to know. He's an exciting fighter, known as the most avoided man in boxing today, and if Pac won, it would send his legacy into orbit man. That's what he needs.
     
  14. PaddyD1983

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    Williams would be a great back up plan if Floyd doesnt sign. I dont think it would happen though, too much risk for Pac's team (note; Pac's team, I genuinely beleive that no fighter 'ducks' anyone, it will be his 'advisors' that will make that decision).
     
  15. RightJab

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    Potentially, 2011-2012 could be 2 years of fights i wont forget for a long time, i dont mind a year like this has been so far. Things take time to build up in boxing,money,promoters/fighters personalities clash,"politics",mandatories,economic climate....blah,blah... Its like a bitchfest really.
    I think the big ones we want in each weight class will all come to fruition, i'm chill with a "transition" year - 18 months, things will happen my brethren, patience.
    To be fair we had a few cracking fights at domestic/euro/world level, not been a bad year really imo.