Bhop would have beaten Roy in a rematch

He avoided the rematch? He offered Hopkins 60/40 and Hops refused. If anything he was more at fault than Roy.

As for a prime matchup, a few things to take into account: Roy was also green in their first fight, B-Hop was at the most athletic stage of his career, and while not as crafty or experienced as he would become, he was as textbook as he ever was.

Hopkins landed some good straight rights, but he was also countered very often and basically outclassed throughout the fight until Roy started cruising in the later rounds. I'll stick with Roy in a slightly closer affair prime for prime.

 

i agree

 

I doubt it....he would've beaten the post-Tarver jones but not the Jones of the 90's and early 200's.

 

Good post. Expect Roy fans to come out of the woodwork talking a bunch of bull**** about 60/40 offers.

 

Bottom line, Hopkins wanted no more part of Roy. I wouldn't blame him after the ass-whooping he recieved in the first fight. Expect a bunch of Hopkins fans to come out of the woodwork talking a bunch of bull**** about 8-4 scorecards.

 

Yep. Jones at his best is a step above Hopkins at his best yet these 'green' excuses keep on coming as though Jones was a hardened pro when they fought or something

In the following years I'd say Jones improved more than Hopkins did, personally. It's only since Jones's losses that this **** has started up again because back in 2002 when Hopkins was offered 60-40 and refused it everyone knew who the ***** was :yep

 

hopkins was an exceptional mw with some good wins at lh. however jones won titles from mw to hw and was p4p 1 for ages. two greats but i dont see how anyone could claim b-hop as more of an all time great

 

Didn't RJJ also break his hand in that fight? Still a great performance by Roy.

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Roy won the first fight fair and square. However, he's a smart man. There's a reason he ran his up to the wasteland that is 168. There is a reason he never tried to seriously negotiate a rematch. Instead, he resorted to yelling a bunch of nonsense at the camera and not allowing Hopkins to talk.

But hey, Roy fans can continue to believe what they want. Just like they all maintain the weight loss is the reason he got sparked twice; completely ignoring the fact that he went 12 and won against Tarver in their first fight. This was his first fight after Ruiz and when he would've been most vulnerable due to the weight loss.

 

If you had followed roy's career in any capacity, you would know he was sucking for air that whole fight, even from the first few rounds. Instead, you don't know what the **** you're talking about and feel the need to spew this ignorant tripe. The weight loss affected Roy, that's pretty clear to even a casual, albeit unbiased observer. Same way it subsequently affected Tarver and Byrd.

 

The green excuses are stupid... Act as if Roy was prime in that fight and Hopkins was just an inexperienced youngling... I thought Roy matured as a fighter a lot more after that fight...

Middleweight was not Jones' best weight...:bart

 

168 a wasteland? Roy beat better comp in his eight or so fights there than Hopkins did in his entire MW reign. He offered 60/40, which was more than generous. Hopkins refused. No rematch. His fault, not Roy's.

Doesn't that kind of prove our point? He was clearly faded and nearly lost in the first fight, which gives you an idea of how a prime for prime matchup would've went between the two.

 

Bhop could never handle a prime Roy I agree he wanted no part of that rematch.

 

Glad you beat me to it...Good response. For that other "fan" - atsch