BHops gamble

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by PrideOfWales, Mar 26, 2008.


  1. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Like I said, def. not apples to apples, but the mentality of "letting your guard down" after thinking your in control could be a dangerous one.
     
  2. Taylex

    Taylex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I heard Reid had a sore throat also so he was not at 100%. If Reid had been a 1000% he would have KOed Calzaghe!
     
  3. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    The analogy I've been through before and if you want to know why, see the other threads because it's been debated to death. Technically, if they box at range, Hopkins cannot compete. This will be the story of the first half of the fight. Then, Joe will realise there is nothiong to fear coming back. Calzaghe's superior fitness will be too much, Hopkins will wilt and that will be it.
     
  4. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    Hopkins doesn't have the ability to punish this to an extent where Calzaghe pays. There is opportunity, yes. But (this version of) Hopkins isn't the one to take advantage of such a scenario.
     
  5. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    If Reid had not overcooked himself before the fight, coming into the ring screaming and wound up, he would have won one or two rounds at the start and there would have been controversy if it hadn't been at least a draw.

    Unfortunately for Reid, he was (and this is a fault throughout his career) too emotional on his big night.
     
  6. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Calzaghe does lose, and Hopkins pulls off the huge upset, which he has done before against guys like Tarver and Tito, can we finally admit Calzaghe was just overrated, and feasted on hype jobs and old men to beef up his dismal resume, where he went on a 9 year stretch fighting bums and nobodies, just to stay away from the real competition in America?
     
  7. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    Absolutely yes. Unless he's got old overnight (which should be easy to detect) then you can that he was over-rated AND his career (though still a very good one) isn't all as it seems. I think 9 years is pushing it, there are decent boxers in there, he just never faced a so-called superstar.
     
  8. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fair enough, I exagerated a bit when I said 9 years of bums, but certainly no hall of fame fighters during that stretch of time, starting with Eubank and ending with Lacy, even though most feel he's a pretty big hype job.

    At least your not like that MasterCalzaghe, who seems to be off the deep end sometimes, who is probably perdicting a 1st round knockout for his hero. I'm not saying Calzaghe wont win, but it's not going to be as one-sidded as some are perdicting, Hopkins even at this stage, has some fight and toughness still in him, it wont be a walk in the park for Joe.
     
  9. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    I think that when all's said and done, you'll be able to pinpoint 4-5 fights where Calzaghe has had a tougher night. Just my opinion. Some label me a Calzaghe nuthugger and with my username and avatar, I can see why. But I have reason to be subjective when it comes to him as a person. The main advantage I have is that I have seen all of his relelvent fights at the time that they happened; sometimes there is no way that looked back at a DVD 6-7 years ago can tell the whole story.
     
  10. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I hear ya, Hopkins is like Winky or Sam Soliman, you just dont look good fighting him. Between his rough house tactics and good lead right, Joe will be in for one hell of a fight, and I know no other fighter that can take a man out of his fight game, like Hopkins could. On top of that, Joe has never fought to anything other than a pro Calzaghe crowd, can this be a factor? I just cant see Calzaghe having an easy time, but that's just my opinion.
     
  11. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    You're very wrong about the crowd. Joe has fought in England against English boxers and that, let me tell you, is worse than anything he's going to experience in Vegas where half the crowd will in fact be very Welsh and very vocal. He also fought in Germany against a local favourite with very little support.

    Joe usually looks crap against boxers of the style of Hopkins. It reamins to be seen how the styles will play out. But Calzaghe has also never taken any counterpuncher he's faced with the respect he will have for Hopkins.
     
  12. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I didnt know that first part of your paragraph, he never fought in America right? I just cant see how some people think Hopkins will be stopped or knocked out, something thats never happend in his career, that put him up against much bigger punchers than Calzaghe, I think you will see Hopkins lose a pretty competitive match, 116-112 seems about right.
     
  13. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    I've seen enough of Calzaghe to think he's something a bit special. Sure he's no prime RJJ (not many people are) and what we have to bear in mind is the age of Hopkins and what he can't do any longer. This is why I predict a stoppage. It would be no real disgrace to Hopkins because I firmly believe Calzaghe really is that good.
     
  14. Punisher33

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    Thats say my perdiction comes true, and Clazaghe wins a competitive fight against Hopkins, would you be disappointed and think less of Calzaghe?
     
  15. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    No. At the end of the day a win's a win. He's achieved far more than I thought he would throughout his career and to still be at the top is remarkable. If it's a competitive fight, Calzaghe will get more credit in the States and that's what he's always craved. If he beats up Hopkins then nobody will buy it because it would obvioulsy mean Hopkins was too far past his prime.

    If it pans out the way you predict, it would be the best result for Calzaghe and I will be pleased to be wrong about Hopkins' abilities at the age of 43. Plus it will mean that I would have got some value out of a $450 ticket.