big baby miller, a more entertaining john ruiz?

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  1. petevenkman

    petevenkman New Member Full Member

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    i do see a lot of similarities between their styles. yes big baby is much more fluid and doesnt wrestle like ruiz, but he seems to grind down his opponets in an effective, but not so pretty to watch manner. As big as miller is, i think ruiz carried more pop in his (limited amount of) punches. Agree? Disagree? how do you think miller would have fared against ruiz's opponets circa 2001-2010?
     
  2. NakiFan

    NakiFan Proud Kiwi Guy Full Member

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    Miller vs Tua...

    Probably end exactly the same way..
     
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  3. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. banned Full Member

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    That was some next level brutality.
    Surprised Ruiz came back after that, altho he changed his entire approach to boxing. :lol:
     
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  4. stormy

    stormy Live and Learn Full Member

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    Bt Ruiz is nothing like Tua and neither is Miller....so what are you really saying....That ruiz will send miller to sleep? or vice versa?
     
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  5. petevenkman

    petevenkman New Member Full Member

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    i personally think ruiz spoils miller. the guy always seemed to find a way to win big fights and is a little underrated
     
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  6. 3rdegree

    3rdegree Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    For a guy that weighs as much as the chunky Miller, he doesn't generate enough power in his punches. He's a tugboat plodder that is dreadful to watch.You are doing Ruiz a disservice by comparing him to porky.
     
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  7. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Miller can actually fight. He doesn't need the ref, judges and Don King to win him fights.
     
  8. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't really see the comparison to be honest, they are quite different fighters. Ruiz was a boxer/spoiler while Miller is more a swarmer/pressure fighter. Ruiz isn't looking to exchange but to get off first then clinch and spoil while Miller wants to constantly engage to grind down his opponents.

    If I was to compare Miller to anyone, it would probably be Chisora. Though he has greater variety than Chisora, plus a better engine, despite all that bulk, though his head and upper body movement is far worse, so he better have a chin even better than Chisora's otherwise the first big puncher he faces will flatten him.
     
  9. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Miller is literally nothing like John Ruiz, Ruiz (in his second incarnation)
    jabbed his way in, landed a short right then clinched. or he'd stay way back.
    He wasn't a pressure fighter at all, he just hit and evaded the incoming. Ruiz

    Miller comes in with pressure, throws shots up and down, varies his power (which
    is why some people are saying he doesn't have pop,) uses it when he sees an
    opening to unload, and inside uses a fair amount of upper body movement. Miller
    also doesn't really worry about getting hit back.

    The two are nothing alike.
     
  10. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Exactly. Ruiz was a fraud and cheater. He NEVER "won" a fight against decent competition without violating the rules against excessive holding, faking "low blows" or getting friendly scoring from King's judges - sometimes all three!!

    Miller, whatever his limitations, at least fights within the rules of boxing.
     
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  11. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    Ruiz will go down as one of the top 5 worst heavyweight champions of all time.. .Miller really is a good fighter.
     
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  12. Sandman_

    Sandman_ Undisputed Full Member

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    Miller is Ray Mercer.

    And with 18 kayos from 20 wins, he's got more power than people think.

    He ain't no Quiet Man.
     
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  13. NakiFan

    NakiFan Proud Kiwi Guy Full Member

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    The OP asked how Miller would have done against Ruizs opponents... I said he would be smashed by Tua. Ok.
     
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  14. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    Ruiz beat alot of the so called top guys at heavyweight at the time.

    Oquendo
    Johnson
    Holyfield
    Golota
    McCline
    Rahman

    Losses to

    Roided Toney
    No doubt a roided RJJ
    Valuev
    Chagaev
    Haye

    Ruiz whilst horrible to watch has a solid and underrated resume.
     
  15. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Miller showed me nothing against Wach
     
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