big daddy bowe vs jack dempsey.....

None of the stylistic considerations in this fight, are relevant to in Frazier Foreman!

Frazier Foreman was a great fight, but it was not the only fight.

You should not build all of your stylistic ideas around that fight!

 

I think that a more pertinent question, is who Bowe desplayed his skills against.

Outside of Holyfield, his record at elite level, is verry thin. In fact he is almost Douglasesqu, in his reliance on a single win!

Dempsey actualy did a lot more against the top fighters of the day.

 

if we're comparing quality, i agree. but stylistically and in examining the "giant-slayer" image of demspey, bowe presents a very unique challenge.

bowe didn't face an opponent as fast or ferocious as dempsey but dempsey never faced someone as big or skilled as bowe. the fact that dempsey did great inside work against his opponents is relevant to his skill but i don't feel he'll have the ability to demonstrate that against a motivated bowe

bowe had a GREAT jab to keep him on the outside and when dempsey works his way in, he'll have a fit, muscular 225 pound man who loves to brawl and uppercut waiting for him.

not saying bowe necessarily wins but dempsey will not be able to run circles around and outpunch bowe the way he did some of his (relatively) clumsy and uncoordinated opposition

 

the easy answer is that the tunney fights are all we have evidence of to analyze your scenario. The gibbons fight adds nothing to our understanding of how jack would fare in a long drawn out war. dempsey was past his best, yes but as you said it's all we have.

the willard footage is great but i really think we need to acknowledge the context and that 1)willard was old 2)willard wasn't that tremendous 3)the lack of a neutral corner rule COMPLETELY affected the outcome.

would dempsey have won otherwise? probably. but it's a lot easier to look like a monster beating on a man as he struggles to get to his feet

 

i'm starting to like this scenario more and more. does bowe have the physicality to force dempsey off him? dempsey is powerful for his size as burt wisely pointed out. so is holyfield and (just watched some clips from their fights) bowe never tried nor appeared consistently able to force evander back. bowe LIKED it on the inside, so how will he fare against someone who's even better at it than he is...(this point was already raised by mcgrain and others of course)

 

I never thought much of Bowe, I was impressed with him when he won the light heavyweight title in the NY Golden Gloves but from there he got bigger and slower and was always easy to hit. Riddick had a good foundation, he had size but he got hit to much

I think Dempsey hits him and does his damage early Dempsey KO 8-9

 

PP (an other Bowe supporters),

In picking Bowe, how do you get past the first Holyfield fight, where from my recollection Holyfield appeared to land the left hook at will. Now Bowe was impressive and i thought he showed all time great heart, and again underated skills in some of his later fights. But, there is no escaping the ease with which Holyfield landed that left hook.

I dont see how Dempsey would fail to do the same, despite the fact that i am sure Bowe would land his share of big shots and i think it is probably agreed that He might even present Prime Dempsey's biggest challenge. I still cant see any chin standing up to the same number of hooks that Bowe was hit with against Holyfield.

Am i just remembering the fight wrong? It has been a while since i watched.

 

:yep

 

This would be a great fight.
The Bowe who beat Holyfield v. the Dempsey who beat Willard.

I feel Dempsey was comparable to Holyfield, a bit smaller, and maybe not as strong, but with more punch power. Absolutely vicious on the inside.
Bowe has all the physical advantages (height, weight, reach), had his own excellent inside game and ample power too. He's there to be hit though.

This would be a real vicious brawl. Both were rough dirty fighters, with skills and heart and durability.
Probably would end in KO, wouldn't be surprised to see both men hit the deck. If it did happen to go the distance, I'd favour Bowe. More likely, it would end by KO, any time between the 3rd and 10th round ... with either fighter being victorious in a brutal classic.

 

you're bang on and bowe's lack of defense is a critical factor in this fight. holyfield landed that left a lot. and that left hook, while more textbook and educated than dempsey's, was not nearly as fast as dempsey's imo. dempsey would land once he got inside, that's almost a given. how bowe responds is the question...

 

that's what she said.

Anyway if there's a KO i'd expect it to be a flash KO for Dempsey or an attrition KO for Bowe.