Big deal

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Drexl, Jul 7, 2007.


  1. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So you're saying that Wald is going to do nothing more than fight mandatories for the rest of his career then?

    I've given Wald a bit of a pass until now - I agree, he had to fight Brewster. He was always going to win, but he had to fight him.

    Where he goes from here will be telling IMO. And plenty of guys are keen to fight Wald. don't talk like the whole division is running from him.

    Don King doesn't have to own anyone. Plenty of guys have fought King fighters without being owned by them. Wald needs to get himself new advisors if he can't.

    No mate, you said he was drugged.
     
  2. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree. If Wlad generated the money that DLH does they would all be lining up to fight him, but he doesnt. For the same reason Cotto and Hatton havent fought Floyd Mayweather yet even though that fight would make huge money for them.
     
  3. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    Including when he held the WBO, jackass.

    :roll:
     
  4. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    NOBODY generates the same money as DLH. :patsch

    Up until the DLH fight, Cotto and Hatton both generated more money than Floyd. Who at HW generates more than Wlad? Anybody that offers a title shot as well?

    If a fighter has a chance to fight any HEAVYWEIGHT, who would he get the most respect for beating?
     
  5. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    Then what? Did Puritty retire?


    As for Sanders, he was told he HAD to fight Brewster or be stripped, but took the Vitali fight instead as a last big payday. I don't recall any offer from Wlad. Link or STFU. Wlad's team seemed more interested in re-building his confidencewith the Fabio Moli fight. NOT The Nicholson fight, that came later.

    If Wlad REALLY wanted the Sanders rematch, Vitali could have refused to fight him until he gave his brother the rematch. As it was they followed the old "if my brother beats him, that's my revenge...sort of..." line that they seem so fond of.
     
  6. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    9 times out of 10 if a champ applies for an exemption to his mandatory in order to attempt to unify, it is granted.
     
  7. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah but facing Wlad is facing doom, its saying bye bye to your career, who wants to risk that for the amount of money they are offered? (its not DLH type of money). Its safer to defend your belt like Ruiz and Byrd did.
     
  8. SAS2

    SAS2 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You guys are whacked. Wlad is huge money in Europe. And last time I checked the Euro was doing a f#ck of a lot better than the dollar. Go back to school and study Economics 101, then post.

    After Oscars last performance you can bet he won't get another payday like he did against Mayweather.
     
  9. Ivo

    Ivo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, people do not make it look like Wladimir Klitschko has never expressed a desire to fight Brewster before the Liakhovich fight. You made it look like Wladimir Klitschko waited diligently for the Liakhovich fight and afterwards he suddenly started talking about rematching Brewster. People wonder why Brewster fought Kali Meehan who barely made top 15 instead of giving Wladimir Klitschko a rematch. Brewster promoter Don King did not want this rematch so it was not possible. But King could not stop Wladimir Klitschko from taking the IBF belt. With a belt Wladimri Klitschko could control the situation and he looked after an immidiate rematch.

    Brewster has been inactive before the first fight as well. So then it was OK, now it played bad for him?

    So you would rather see Wladimir fighting with someone barely making top 15? Or maybe wait a year for a mandatory defense? Thus it would not have been a waste of time?
     
  10. Rudolph

    Rudolph Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Making either of these two number 1 is unjustified, Slava. Why? How? Just because each have a belt and they decided to fight each other? It's not the belt that makes the person, it's the other way round. Wlad's crop of victims and the way he dispatched of them is miles ahead from both Ruslan and Sultan's achievements to date. Whoever wins - Chagaev or Igragimov - is going to become second best. No tying the first place with Wlad.
     
  11. Rudolph

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    Actually Byrd was the world's number one and longest reigning heavyweight champion who became a blown-up middleweight nobody after having lost to Klitschko again...
     
  12. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    Where did I say that???? :think

    I said this rematch never needed to happen because this was not like Wlad's other losses - it was totally one sided in Wlad's favor before he ran out of gas. Even Puritty didn't get manhandled like Brewster.

    Immediate?
    ...don't you mean after Brock and Austin... :blood

    In a way, yes, because this time it was a layoff that included major surgery and this time he was 34 instead of 30. Also last time he had the "Buster Douglas factor" because someone close to him had just died and he used that to spur him on to over-perform.

    But as I already said, he was getting smashed the first time as well before Wlad gassed so it's not like he was that much better last time.

    No. I'd rather have seen him make a fight against another champion. There were 4 to choose from. Some are tied up now but weren't when Wlad was looking to make his next fight.
     
  13. Ivo

    Ivo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It needed to happen because of the outside influence in the first fight.

    No, I do not.


    So, you agree that Wladimir makes the difference in both cases not Brewster inactivity.

    Like whom? Did you follow boxing at all? It is not a rethoric question so I expect a honest answer. I thought one might have noticed that at the time Wladimir decided to fight Brewster, Maskaev was tied with Peter, Valuev with Chagaev and Briggs with Ibragimov. For the fourth I have no idea what you are talking about because there is only 4 respectable organizations. Maybe that mysterous forth was the key available champion to choose?
     
  14. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    Bull****. 10000% bull**** weak-ass excuse.

    All of the Klit conspiracies from that fight have been blow out of the water by the doctors and examiners involved.

    Wlad ran out of gas and lost. Deal with it.

    So explain to me how 3 fights later is "immediate".


    Yes. AS I SAID BEFORE THE FIGHT!
    I said Wlad was better before he ran out of gas the first time so now that he has learned how to pace himself Berwster has zero chance. Go back and look at my posts.


    Ok, it's everybody else's fault as usual. Other fighters in the past have managed to unify, but in the case of both Klits nobody is ever available. :lol::lol::lol:

    The 4 others I was referring to included Valuev, who was mentioned as a possible opponent to Wlad while he was a "Champion". In fact I'll make it 5 because they also talked about unifying with Briggs.... but that never happened either (surprise surprise!!):yep
     
  15. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    Everytime that I think you are an alright poster who knows what he is talking about, you prove me wrong.

    How the hell am I supposed to provide a link to a m a x b o x i ng video interview from over 3 years ago? It isn't my fault that you don't follow the sport as closely as I do. You act like there is a linnk floating around the internet to validate every offer that a boxer has ever made to another. Just like before Wlad rematched Brewster you acted as if he never tried to rematch him, and that he never would.

    Also, Vitali was the mandatory challenger to Lewis when Lewis retired and vacated the WBC title. The WBC ordered Vitali to fight Sanders for the Vacant WBC Title, since they were the #1 and #2 contenders in the WBC. Had Vitali refused that fight, then Sanders would have been able to fight the next available contender for the Vacant WBC Title. Vitali should have turned that fight down?:lol: Holy ****, you would make an awful business manager. Not only did what you say make no sense at all, obviously you weren't even aware that was a title fight for the Vacant WBC title. You are sitting there saying that Vitali should have refused to fight him, because Sanders wouldn't grant Wlad a rematch!:rofl Wow... that would have done a lot of good.

    At least it is good to know that you don't give Lewis any credit for his rematch victory over McCall. In your own words, I mean... it was 3 years later, after McCall had already been beat... and he was fresh out of crack rehab to boot. All of this time, I thought that you used to brag about how Lewis "beat every man he ever faced".