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Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Drexl, Jul 7, 2007.


  1. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Wow, Wlad hadn't been WBO Champ for over 4 years!:rofl You said in the last few years since he has been champ. You really don't know what you are talking about do you? He has been Champ for 15 months. Before that, he was WBO Champ over 4 years ago. Don't pretend like you were saying that he should have unified back then... as he was the #1 ranked Contender by Ring Mag, and Lewis was the undisputed Champion. He said since day one of winning that title that he wanted to fight Lewis. He called Lewis out after every single fight, and Lewis always shrugged it off and kept quite about Wlad. Hell... Larry Merchant even went off on Lennox and Don King when they were having a ringside discussion about the heavyweight picture. They were talking about how Lewis dropped his WBA and IBF titles, and that Don was trying to put a tournament together for other heavyweights to win those titles. Don King mentioned who he had in mind for the tournament (didn't include Wladimir), and Lewis backed him up by saying it was a great idea. Larry Merchant then got pissed and said "No, what you are trying to do is crown an american heavyweight Champion for Lennox to fight. The real question is when you are finally accept a fight with the best fighter in the division, Wladimir Klitschko?"... and Lewis wouldn't even reply... he said, well... that isn't a question for me.


    So... either way... that is neither here nor there, because you obviously just didn't know what you were talking about as you said over the last few years since Wlad has been champ. When he has only been Champ for 15 months.
     
  2. Ivo

    Ivo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    BS. You should deal with accepting the outside influenced. I have no reasons whatsoever to question someone like Vitali Klitschko. He knows better than you do what happened.

    I told you that Brewster decided to fight Meehan instead of Wladimir. How the hell could Wladimir order Brewster to fight him? Now with the belt Wladimir could pick opponents. Before it was up to Brewster and his promoter.

    Still I can see those 4 champions available for Wladimir. Someone has math problems obviously. Read my mesage again and you will find out who were the 3, I repeat the 3, other champions of which no one was available for Wladimir for July 7. Have a nice reading.
     
  3. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    In his last 5 fights, Wladimir has dominated then undefeated top contender Sam Peter for 10 of the 12 rounds in their fight in the IBF tlte eliminator. He then easily dominated and brutally knocked out the #1 Ring magazine fighter in the world in Chris Byrd. Then he brutally knocked out the highest ranked American contender in the undefeated Calvin Brock. Then, he filled his mandatory by easily destroyed his IBF #1 contender in Ray Austin. Just over the weekend he avenged his last defeat by dominating Lamon Brewster, who was also the highest ranked fighter available to fight him. By doing so, not only did he avenge his defeat, but he got credit for filling another mandatory by the IBF for fighting the highest ranked contender available... and frees up his next fight to be an optional defense.


    Yet, the man is ragged on!

    So that is...

    Sam Peter (Undefeated top contender currently ranked #2 by ring mag)
    Chris Byrd (#1 ranked by Ring Mag, IBF Champion)
    Calvin Brock (Undefeated, top contender)
    Ray Austin (mandatory defense, IBF #1 contender had just fought to a draw with Ibragimov)
    Lamon Brewster (Former Champ, last person to beat Wlad, and highest available contender to fight)

    Yet, Wlad gets ragged on for who he is fighting.
     
  4. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They are simply trying to find anything to make Wlad not look superior and dominant. The only thing left is other belts. Its not even about the guys who have these belts as they would still discredit Wlad for fighting Ibragimov if he wasnt a belt holder, this is afterall a guy who drew with Austin and was even knocked down. Oleg Maskaev is a guy who is old and was knocked out by Tua, Mccall, T-rex Sanders and Kirk Johnson.
     
  5. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Yes, the same group who will never realize that the Champions make the belts, the belt doesn't make the Champion. Wladimir is easily regarded as the man in the division, whether or not the other titles are constantly changing hands due to subpar Champs.
     
  6. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    I already told you I was including when he was WBO champ. If my definition of "a few years" is longer than yours, you have to deal with it. That's what I meant.

    Both Byrd and Ruiz were "champs" in the time theat Wlad held the WBO belt, as well as Lewis.

    But I now understand that it is always everybody else's fault when it comes to the Klits and unification. :roll:
     
  7. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    And the doctors involved know more than Vitali. And they all shoot the Klit claims down in flames.

    The excuses are just that - excuses. Wlad lost fair & square. Stop crying.


    Read MY message again and you will find out there were AT LEAST FIVE "champions" during Wlad's reign who were mentioned as possible opponents, but the fights never happened.

    Have a nice reading? What does that even mean?? :lol::lol::lol:
     
  8. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dunno Drex...

    There weren't that many compelling fights to be made in the heavyweight ranks at the moment, and Brewster was still a rated contender who had previously defeated WK. Since Peter was fighting Maskaev, and Briggs (WBO champ at the time) was facing Ibragimov, then there really wasn't another attractive option to fight. Chagaev was the only other option, I suppose...but in terms of risk-reward, it didn't really benefit either fighter to make that particular match, right now.

    The win doesn't tell us anything that we don't already know, but, given the barren landscape of the division, it's not a bad name to have on one's resume.
     
  9. chewy 22

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    its a shame the klitsckos are brothers, that would be a good fight, which Vitali would win
     
  10. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    How long are you going to drag your mistake out? Now you are pretending that you were talking about back when he was WBO Champ?:rofl Wlad had just obliterated Byrd for the WBO title... so now you are knocking him for not fighting Byrd earlier for the IBF Title directly after that? You are the same person who came out after Wlad destroyed Byrd in the rematch and said that it shows you nothing because you already seen Wlad beat him before.

    Obviously you are one of the shitty boxing "fans" who can never be pleased. I am sure that you will have a problem with whoever Wlad secured a unification fight with too, right? I bet that you will also blame Wlad for the fact that the WBC is in a huge mess, where he couldn't get a unification fight for that title for at least a year and a half. The WBO and WBA titles are already scheduled to fight each other... so are you going to have a problem with Wladimir staying busy and taking on more contenders? Or should Wlad sit on the shelf and wait until the other titles finish all of their business?

    I mean, obviously this sport is about pleasing you. Clearly you don't approve of him taking this time to avenge defeats, or fight top ranked contenders. Wlad should create another world title, and give it to his next opponent before their fight. Maybe in your eyes the fight would be worth more all of the sudden.

    The belts are nothing more than a bargaining tool these days. The Champion is decided in the ring, and Wladimir has already shown himself to be the true Champ in the division.
     
  11. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    I almost feel bad for the Klitschko haters... in order to continue their hate through times like these... they have to make themselves look absolutely ******ed.
     
  12. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    Unification is what we need for the good of the sport.
     
  13. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Widdow....this approach actually hurts your argument. No one hold the Lewis rematch in very high regard.
     
  14. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    That IS what I was talking about. Did Wlad unify when he was WBO champ?
    Sorry if it doesn't fit in with your rant, but that is what I'm saying and you just have to learn to deal with it.


    Not true. I was very happy when we had a unified undisputed champion.



    I am sure you are wrong. You can't decide how I feel about anything.

    Again, I'm sorry that I don't fit neatly into your box marked "Klitschko haters". Wlad is my favourite HW. That doesn't stop me from being frustrated that he's wating his prime when he could be cementing his legacy. I also said countless times when Vitali was champ that he would easily beat any of the other paper champs if he actually fought them. He never did so his actual achievements will forever roughly match those of Tony Tucker. I don't want Wlad to go down the same path.

    As I have said before, he demolish all of the mandatories and second-rate optionals he wants, but unless he unifies he will forever go down as just another belt-holder and we all know he is capable of more than that. His achievements don't match his talent at the moment.
     
  15. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    No, ******ed is posting the Judd Burstein letter that has been completely discredited by the people ACTUALLY INVOLVED with the situation.

    You are starting to sound like Farmboxer. That is a very bad thing indeed.