Big fights that would've been different if both were prime

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  1. sas6789

    sas6789 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Which big fight throughout history do you think would have had a different result if both were prime at the time?

    Some examples for me:

    Roy Jones vs Joe Calzaghe
    Mike Tyson vs Larry Holmes
    Muhammad Ali vs Larry Holmes
    Canelo vs Shane Mosley
    Julio Cesar Chavez vs Kostya Tszyu
    Pernell Whitaker vs Tito Trinadad
    Sugar Ray Leonard vs Terry Norris
     
  2. foreman&dempsey

    foreman&dempsey Boxing Addict banned

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    Tyson holmes would be the same
     
  3. Thread Stealer

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    Evander Holyfield vs. Larry Holmes: Holmes wins a hard fought decision. Holyfield had a tendency to fight to the level of opposition at HW, and he'd raise his game for Holmes. But Holmes would be a little too much here with his overall skillset and savvy. Holmes was also more vulnerable to the right hand, while Holyfield was most dangerous with his left hook. Just to add, I was impressed by the way a 42 year old Holmes fought off the ropes against Holyfield and landed some good shots. He had a lot of craft and ring smarts.

    Evander Holyfield vs. George Foreman: Another case where I don't think Evander has quite enough. Holyfield was so brawl happy and it would hurt him against such a vicious puncher in Foreman. Holyfield could conceivably fight a more tactical bout, use his speed and movement, in and out, double jabs, which were some of the tactics he employed in the Rid**** Bowe rematch. But it'd be hard as Foreman himself had a ramrod jab that could disrupt his rhythm. As Holyfield got older, he became more disciplined and controlled with his aggression. He said he learned from the stoppage loss to Bowe to fight more controlled, and you saw this in the Mike Tyson fight as he was more tactical, holding a lot, picking his spots when to brawl. But Holyfield would be in for a tall order here when clinching the remarkably strong Foreman.

    Roy Jones vs. Joe Calzaghe: Jones was so fast, sharp, and had very good power at 168. He'd lower Calzaghe's workrate with his clean counters and win a clear UD.

    Oscar De La Hoya vs. Julio Cesar Chavez: this is a good matchup, but I lean towards prime Chavez to win this, especially at 135.

    Muhammad Ali vs. Larry Holmes: It would not be easy but Ali would prevail by a decision, with the straight right hand being a key weapon. While not as technically sound, Ali was just better overall.

    Pernell Whitaker vs. Felix Trinidad: I'm not actually overly confident with this, but I still lean towards Whitaker. Whitaker was a smaller guy, being one of the greatest lightweights ever, but not the same at 147. Trinidad would have about 5 inches in height and 3 inches in wingspan. It's a stretch to say that Whitaker was "vulnerable" to any punch, however if you were to say that he was susceptible to any punch from an orthodox fighter, I'd say the straight right hand. Trinidad had a good, long, and powerful straight right, which dropped Pea when they did fight in 1999. However, a 1993-94 Whitaker was certainly better than the Whitaker who fought Tito. Whitaker started really slipping in 1996, somewhat quickly, as I suspect the drug addiction took a toll on him.

    The advantages above are why I think Tito is competitive with a 1993-94 Whitaker, but that version of Whitaker was considerably sharper and also had better legs then. Whitaker basically took it right to Tito, a curious game plan. The angles that a younger Whitaker would give Trinidad would confuse and frustrate him. Trinidad had trouble with the right type of movement, and it's tough to find better movers than Whitaker. Whitaker not only used the ring very well when he fought on the backfoot and moved laterally, but could just take small steps here and there to the side, give weird angles, and make himself a smaller target. Tito drops a competitive decision here.
     
  4. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marciano Louis would see a victory for the bomber were they both in their respective primes
     
  5. DrBanzai

    DrBanzai Active Member Full Member

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    Tyson would lose every round and be KO'd by 10 or sooner.
     
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    Roberto Duran vs. Hector Camacho: Camacho was an insanely gifted boxer, it's a shame he wasted so much talent on the fast life, but even in his prime, he loses to Duran. During his prime, Duran was a nearly perfect fighter.

    Camacho would give Duran problems early on with his speed and movement, but Duran would get to him. Duran would start getting to him with more consistency, and Camacho would go into a defensive shell. Camacho ends the night looking busted up and losing a clear decision.

    Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Terry Norris: Like Duran in his prime, Leonard was a nearly perfect fighter from 1979-82. One of the best I've ever seen. Leonard would stop Norris at some point in the fight. Leonard had underrated power, particularly in his left hook, and the chinny Norris would not be able to take it. Nor would he be able to survive once Leonard went into finishing mode.

    George Foreman vs. Tommy Morrison: If Morrison tries to employ the same tactics he did in their 1993 fight, he would find Foreman continually cutting off the ring on him. He could use less movement, maybe even trade with Foreman and hope his quicker hands and own formidable power does it for him, but chances are against him. Foreman has a big edge in chin. Tommy gets stopped.
     
  7. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joe Louis vs Rocky Marciano
    Mike Tyson vs Lennox Lewis
    George Foreman vs Evander Holyfield and Tommy Morrison
    Sugar Ray Leonard vs Terry Norris and Hector Camacho
    Oscar De La Hoya vs Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao
    Roy Jones vs Joe Calzaghe
    Nigel Benn vs Steve Collins
     
  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Ali vs Berbick
    Ali vs Holmes
    Ali vs Spinks I
    Foreman vs Holyfield
    Foreman vs Morrison
    Foreman vs Briggs
    Holmes vs McCall
    Holmes vs Neilsen
    Holmes vs Spinks (both were blatant robberies anyways)
    Holmes vs Tyson
    Holyfield vs Nikolai Valuev
    Holyfield vs Sultan Ibragimov
    Holyfield vs Larry Donald
    Holyfield vs Toney
    Holyfield vs Byrd
    Holyfield vs Ruiz
    Holyfield vs Lewis
    Holyfield vs Moorer
    Liston vs Marin
    Louis vs Marciano
    There's a lot more but I'll have to look
     
  9. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    :deal
     
  10. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think Lewis/Holyfield would be that much different.
     
  11. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    I think Holyfield would come out the victor.
     
  12. Ike-Man

    Ike-Man Active Member Full Member

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    Great post
     
  13. tommytheduke

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    :deal
     
  15. TerribleTerry73

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    I think a closer to prime Leonard would have beaten Terry Norris.